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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 08, 2014 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Thanks. I forgot to ask - both when it comes to n-p and p-p comparisons?



Yes, both.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by twinky:
His Eros persona Chart Asc. and MC are exactly conjunct my ErosP.Chart Asc/Mc!
Which are exactly conjunct to our Composite cusps.

Does any comparison to the composite mean anything?


Yes, I think so. In this case it shows that your relationship emphasizes your erotic nature, for both of you.

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posted April 08, 2014 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool. Let's see what attracted me to my celeb crush O_o

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posted April 08, 2014 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I can tell you so far for the Mars Personas I've seen hard aspects (squares/oppositions) mean a very sexual person.


in that case:

In my Mars Persona
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[Moon on 28 Virgo conjunct ASC on 00 Libra]
opposite [Vx on 1 Aries on DESC on 00 Aries]
square [Mars on 29 Gem on MC on 1 Cancer]

---- naturally the MaP IC has to be conjunct n VESTA on 1 Cap exact


2)
[EROS on 9 Cap conj. VALENTINE on 10 cap] square Pluto on 11 Libra in 1st

33)
Neptune on 11 Sag in 3rd squares JUNO on 12 Virgo in 12th

4)
LUST On 15 cap in 4th squares Jupiter on 15 Aries in 7th


5)
[Sun on 5 Sag conj. Mercury on 4 Sag] in 3rd square AMOR on 5 Pisces in 5th


6)
saturn on 2 Leo in 10th square Uranus on 4 Scorpio in 2nd

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posted April 08, 2014 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, I think so. In this case it shows that your relationship emphasizes your erotic nature, for both of you.

Thank you!
I actually checked our Composite Eros Persona chart and it really describes our relationship in a very deep romantic level.
This is exactly how it feels, at least from my part. It is like a hidden composite describing all these feelings.
Sun 12th house conjunct Asc.
Moon 4th (IC) house conjunct Mars (IC)/Pluto (3rd)
Venus 11th house opposite Neptune


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posted April 08, 2014 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
using 3 degree orbs and only conj./ opp

my MaP-his MaP
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ASC conjunct Saturn
MC conjunct Vertex exact
Avx conjunct Saturn
NN conjunct ASC-Uranus
Nn conjunct LUST (3)
Sun conjunct VALENTINE exact
Moon conjunct Saturn

Venus conjunct Pluto
Venus conjunct KARMA
(his MaPPluto-KARMA conjuncts my n DNA exact)

Mars conjunct Vx
Mars conjunct Moon

Uranus conjunct Mars-Union
Pluto conjunct EROS-APHRODITE
JUNO conjunct Sun
VESTa opposite JUNO-Jupiter
VALENTINE-EROS conjunct VALENTINE
PSYCHE conjunct PSYCHE



I see a lot of karmic aspects in Mars-Mars comparison. If not karmic, a little on the S&M side

Venus Pluto and Pluto Eros Aphrodite are awesome for great intimacy and a very erotic experience. And Mars Uranus Union is very very electric and exciting, wild sex, IMO.

In the natal-mars comparison, I see:

for you, you would want him as an overall partner (Moon, Mars IC and Sun/Moon, Moon/Saturn, Juno/Jupiter)

for him, more sexual and more Plutonian

for both, I see a Venus-Pluto theme, with him being Pluto. A little bit on the dark side, Heathcliff-Cathy... and S&M vibes

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posted April 08, 2014 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is creepy O_o

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posted April 08, 2014 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by twinky:
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Sun 12th house conjunct Asc.
Moon 4th (IC) house conjunct Mars (IC)/Pluto (3rd)
Venus 11th house opposite Neptune


Great aspects for what you are describing, Twinky! By the book

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posted April 08, 2014 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
in that case:

In my Mars Persona


Now that you've posted it, Ceri ...very intense Mars Persona you have there!
Lots of Fire...and Scorpio Uranus in 2nd.
Lots of fantasy...
Not far from a dominatrix also (with Cap involved)

Well, you asked for my opinion

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posted April 08, 2014 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Juno persona to his Juno persona
Sun conjunct pluto
Venus & Mercury conjunct pluto
Jupiter opp Mercury exact
Jupiter opp Kaali
Uranus conjunct Mars
Neptune opp asc
NN conjunct pallas
Nn conjunct Eros
Chiron opp pallas
Chiron Conjunct vesta
Vertex opp neptune exact
Pallas opp sun
Pallas conjunct karma exact
Juno conjunct vertex
Juno opp cupido exact
Vesta opp vertex
Vesta conjunct pholus
Pholus opp psyche
Pholus opp amor
Vesta cobjunct valentine
Pholus conjunct asc
Eros opp Sun
Eros conjunct karma
Psyche conjunct moon
Psyche conjunct chiron
Amor opp venus
Lilith conjunct pallas
Lilith conjunct Eros
Valentine conjunct vertex
Valentine opp cupido exact
Lust opp juno
Lust opp union exact
Union opp pholus
Union conjunct psyche
Union opp valentine
Karma conjunct lust exact
Asc opp pholus exact
Asc conjunct psyche
Asc conjunct amor
Asc opp valentine exact
Mc conjunct sun
Mc conjunct karma.

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posted April 08, 2014 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Venus persona Asc is only almost a degree away from my draco Asc O_o

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posted April 08, 2014 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
My Venus persona Asc is only almost a degree away from my draco Asc O_o


You are meant to become a glorious beauty or a famous artist

Or a shameful lover...

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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 08, 2014 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Casanova Mars Persona.

Notice the Kite with apex in Mars conjunct Vertex 8th house.
Mars opposite Saturn in Capricorn 2nd, Moon Jupiter opposite Pluto, Mars square Venus, Venus square Saturn, Venus conjunct NN and Cupid, Mercury square Neptune (for beautiful lies and romantic talk) Mercury square Uranus in Scorpio, Lilith in the 1st (and Cap), Pluto on MC and ASC in Sag for ""adventure"

Kite in Juno/Jupiter/Moon shows a soft spot (for women).

And, of course, Sun conjunct Lust.

Pretty awesome, no?

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posted April 08, 2014 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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or a famous artist

The most probable option

Ok, here's what I found:

My Venus persona - his natal

Ascendants in the same sign
Asc conjunct Moon under 1
Moon conjunct Dsc and Chiron
Sun conjunct SN
Mercury opposite Venus and Vertex

My Mars persona - his natal
Venus conjunct Venus, 1 deg
MC conjunct Venus
Jupiter conjunct NN
Asc conjunct Saturn
Sun on the Dsc
Sun conjunct Chiron

My Moon persona - his natal

Asc conjunct Venus
Jupiter and Venus conjunc MC
Mercury conjunct Moon under 1
IC conjunct MC
Saturn conjunct SN

I think I could be his type too


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posted April 08, 2014 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The amount of excitmenet I'm getting from discovering patterns in and between these charts is ridiculous


For example:
Our Mars persona Moons conjunct by 1,5 degree. On my natal Jupiter. His MP Jupiter conjunct the Moons (Edit: oops, not true. I mistook the charts). Angles in the same signs and order. NN conjunct MC DW.
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posted April 08, 2014 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Casanova Mars Persona.

Notice the Kite with apex in Mars conjunct Vertex 8th house.
Mars opposite Saturn in Capricorn 2nd, Moon Jupiter opposite Pluto, Mars square Venus, Venus square Saturn, Venus conjunct NN and Cupid, Mercury square Neptune (for beautiful lies and romantic talk) Mercury square Uranus in Scorpio, Lilith in the 1st (and Cap), Pluto on MC and ASC in Sag for ""adventure"

Kite in Juno/Jupiter/Moon shows a soft spot (for women).

And, of course, Sun conjunct Lust.

Pretty awesome, no?


Mars opp Saturn. Who would have thought?

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posted April 08, 2014 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Maybe he was insecure and overcompensated.

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posted April 08, 2014 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Leeloo,

"see a lot of karmic aspects"
How do you see karmic aspects? I am asking cause I have seen so many different takes on karma in relationship charts.
I personally do not view them as negatively (unless dealing with Saturn-Pluto-Nessus-square, opposite Moon-Chiron-Dejanira probably.) but on its own I have a more neutral perspective on Karma, to me it just signifies that oftent here is a strong glue/ bond between two people because of some kind of "working out" they have to do.

But that is how I see it. not sure how you do. lol


"If not karmic, a little on the S&M side "
LOL
And I do not view either of us as especially s&M.
Now if you had said M&M, you know chocolate, mmhh....


"Venus Pluto and Pluto Eros Aphrodite are awesome for great intimacy and a very erotic experience."
I liked seeing that.


" And Mars Uranus Union is very very electric and exciting, wild sex, IMO."
LOL
Not bad though

"for both, I see a Venus-Pluto theme, with him being Pluto"
Interestingly we both have a Venus-Pluto-square natally and it comes up in the composite again.

". A little bit on the dark side, Heathcliff-Cathy... and S&M vibes "
It is so weird. Yes, I saw that, too, astrologically, that is, but I donīt feel any kind of dark stuff around him, not even the intoxicating way (there is a lot of intoxication involved on my side though).


btw I hadn`t checked before, but in the MaP my natural LILITH is oon the DESC on 29 Pisces.

and my Priapus on 26 Libra.


so that means my MaP LILITH conjuncts his n ASC and also conjuncts his MaP PHOLUS-PRIAPUS-conjnction on 00 Aries


his maP LILITH is exactly on his MaP KARMA-Pluto and thus conjunct my MaP Venus.

I suppose that emphasizes the picture even more.

BTW I love how you do your interpretation. So precice and to the point.

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posted April 08, 2014 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Taurus Moon in the Moon and Venus persona. Is it significant?

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posted April 08, 2014 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
^Maybe he was insecure and overcompensated.




Maybe.

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posted April 08, 2014 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Not far from a dominatrix also (with Cap involved)

Well, you asked for my opinion


And I am glad I did.
Dominatrix.

Well, I was surprised to be honest, I`ve been pretty much living in celibacy all my life, but lately I start thinking I might have sublimated something a little bit too much.


(I suppose it is cause it is all-or-nothing for me and nothing was ever "all")

As for his Mars chart

1)
[ASC conj. natal VALENTINE on 19 Scorpio exact conjunct Uranus on 22 Scorpio] opposite Chiron on 18 Taurus, square NN on 20 Leo in 9th


2)
[Mercury conj Jupiter conj JUNO, all on 18 Virgo in 10th] square Neptune in 19 Sag on the 2nd house cusp


3)
Sun on 11 Virgo conjunct MC on 9 Virgo, trine AMOR on 11 Cap exact (I know it is a trine, but it is exact)


4)
Moon on 2 Cancer in 8th conj Vertex, and square PRIAPUS-PHOLUS on 00 Aries in 4th - and yes, totally making a grand Cross with my MaP Moon, ASC, DESC, Vertex, Mars and natal VESTA

5)
EROS conj. APHRODITE in Libra in 11th, square AMOR in Cap in 2nd

(looks like a tough time to pick).

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posted April 08, 2014 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, post your Mars persona chart please. I'm not sexually active either and I'm curious.

This is mine:

P.S. Are there any similarities to your natal chart?
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posted April 08, 2014 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We do have Atlantis conjunct Atlantis in synastry, so i decided to do Atlantis persona chart comparisons (and to each others natals as well). The results were quite telling.

Atlantis persona to Atlantis persona, me first

Sun conjunct Sun 1
Moon conjunct Neptune exact
Jupiter conjunct Mercury 2
Jupiter conjunct Juno 1
Chiron opposite Psyche exact
Vertex opposite Psyche 1
Eros conjunct Mars 1
Psyce trine Eros exact
Amor opposite Angel exact
Union conjunct Mars exact
Angel conjunct Pluto exact
Angel conjunct ASC 1
Atlantis conjunct Pluto exact
Atlantis conjunct ASC exact
DNA conjunct Venus 1
DNA conjunct Karma exact
DNA conjunct Atlantis exact
ASC conjunct Mars exact


My Atlantis persona - his natal

Sun conjunct Atlantis 1
Moon conjunct Neptune 2
Moon conjunct Eros 1
Venus conjunct Union 1
Jupiter conjunct Valentine 0
Jupiter conjunct IC 1
Saturn conjunct Moon 1
Saturn conjunct DNA 1
Karma opposite Psyche 0
Valentine conjunct Moon 1
Valentine conjunct DNA 0
Atlantis conjunct Pluto 0
ASC conjunct Uranus 2


His Atlantis persona - my natal

Sun conjunct Atlantis 1
Mercury conjunct DNA 0
Venus conjunct Venus 1
Mars opposite Mars 1
Saturn conjunct Union 1
Uranus conjunct Lilith 1
NN opposite Juno 1
NN opposite Valentine 1
Chiron opposite Lilith 0
Juno conjunct DNA 0
Karma conjunct Sun 2
Eros opposite Psyche 2
Psyche conjunct NN 1
Union conjunct Angel 1
Lust conjunct Moon 0
Lust conjunct Eros 0
Angel conjunct ASC 1
Atlantis conjunct Sun !!!
MC conjunct Moon 0
MC conjunct Eros 1

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posted April 08, 2014 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Ceri, post your Mars persona chart please. I'm not sexually active either and I'm curious.

This is mine:

P.S. Are there any similarities to your natal chart?


no, no similiarities to my natal.

Venus-Neptune opposition is interesting there, can mean sublimation of course.

I am sexually non-active by choice, but not by philosophy if that makes sense. It is not really a moral thing for me, it just doesn`t happen.
And I havenīt really felt attracted to that many men in my life either, or at least usually I am good in rationalizing it away. Aquarius-Moon-detachment-mode. The spark I feel around Mr Sag simply blindsided me. Felt even uncomfortable, as I have no clue what to do with these feelings.

I do think however, at the end of day, I actually am a more sexual person than I was aware of, it was just something that I would not allow to surface.
Possibly some sexual abuse or at least innuendo taking place in earlier years of my life, that i do not quite remember (I remember some "situations", but am not sure they "suffice" to explain my retreat into mys own mental space).

Also a lot of insecurities. And before I had to somehow confront and learn to deal with the insecurities and complexes, I apparently preferred taking myself "out of the game", so to speak.

that in a nutshell is why I think I refrained, not because I did not feel attraction at all (I did, I jsut was quite adept at living in selfdenial and sublimating and suppressing and rationalizing away - until Mr Sag crossed my path, and somehow everything got turned on its head. ).


my Mars persona


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my natal

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posted April 08, 2014 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. So you're attracted to him sexually but hide it? Are you friends or are you a distant admirer?

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