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Tulipe
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posted May 11, 2014 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I think that too, I have to ask my parents about this mismatch name . I just plugged in his name asteroid in my natal chart (there's only the female version of the name, ironic, huh), and it's on my Sun/Mercury/Moira (1) I think I shall do my Persona chart with his name, and do Groom Persona for him .

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posted May 11, 2014 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good idea, "lovebird"

I was thinking about checking some cool facts about Personas.

One thing I find interesting: the underlying emotional self of your major Personas (since Moon is my hour ruler, right Cappy? )

So we're talking about the Moon in charts Moon, Venus, Mars, Mercury and of course, anything else you want to check.

Moon in Moon Persona: deep emotionality, the core emotional self, independent from the social mask, peer pressure or other "pressures". The Raw Moon.

In my natal, my Moon is in Leo 7th, quincunx Jupiter, sextile Mercury and trine Neptune.

My Raw Moon is still in Leo, 5th house ( a very Leonian Moon) conjunct Sun ( a New Moon, Leo emphasized), trine Jupiter (optimistic, happy nature) and square Mars (hot temper). I very much see myself here, especially since my choleric temperament is often hidden or sublimated.

Emotionality in love - Moon in Venus Persona

My Venus in Virgo 8th house cusp, square Neptune opposite Jupiter.

My emotional self in love is a Gemini Moon (where my natal Eros is) in the 8th house, exactly conjunct Ceres and Mars opposite Neptune conjunct Valentine square Sun and Priapus, trine Pluto and an exact midpoint of Chiron and Saturn. A very aspected, hot Moon who knows what a broken heart is lol.


Emotional self in sex/action/drive - Moon in Mars Persona

My Mars at 0 Libra conjunct Pluto 8th house.
Martian Moon in Capricorn 6th house square Pluto and sextile Jupiter, semisextile Neptune exact. Restriction, happiness, compulsion and imagination.

Emotions and intellect, harmony of mind vs. heart - Moon in Mercury Persona.

My natal Mercury in Libra 8th house, conjunct Pluto, quincunx Jupiter, sextile Moon and Neptune.

Mercurial Moon in Taurus 11th house, sextile Saturn semisquare Sun. Not very emotional in matters of the mind, but stable, steadfast and philosophical. Inclined to research.

What are your Moons? Do you identify with your planetary Moons?

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Tulipe
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posted May 13, 2014 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems like we all have complex Moon in Moon Persona, wifey .

My natal Moon is in Virgo, square Sun, trine Neptune, trine ASC, sextile Venus.

My Moon in Moon Persona is in Libra (reputed for a cold moon, but I'm far from cold), conjunct Mercury exact in 5th house. I 'talk' my emotions, chanel them in creativity. Moon in a T-square with Jupiter and Saturn/Neptune. My emotions tend to run wild with imagination, luckily (or unfortunately) Saturn in 8th is there to slap me back to reality .

My Moon Persona's Venus (also chart ruler) is in Libra in 5th conjunct Vertex. My emotional maturity is waiting for activation through love.

My Moon Persona's Sun in 4th, trine Neptune/Saturn. My natal Virgo Moon shines when feeling safe in intimate surroundings. Plus Libra Moon in 5th: I like to decorate my house with beautiful, feminine things.

Moon Persona's MC, North Node in Aquarius. Although my emotions run deep in the 4th house, people perceive me as very detach.

Moon persona's Pluto DSC ruler in 6th house. Like it or not, I will undergo some dramatic changes in my living style. POF at 0 Taurus in 12th house, maybe I should dig more into my psychic abilities.

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Do you read Persona chart like a return chart? Maybe we should see what house the Sun falls, what natal house is rising and what natal house is empowered by the Persona chart's MC. Then we proceed by reading the aspects, see if there's some important connections to our natal chart.

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posted May 13, 2014 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boo!

My Moon's Moon
Taurus, 11th house. It's interesting cause the Moon rules my natal 11th house and is in the 2nd house.
opposite Mars...Ummm, I'm not hot-tempered, at least not THAT much.
trine Jupiter...NOPE.
square Saturn...YEP, but it's in the natal too.
square Chiron...Natal aspect again.
trine Eros (1), sextile Amor (1), trine Psyche (0)...Cool, natally I have Eros conjunct Moon and sextile Amor.

My Mercury's Moon
conjunct my Moon's Moon, woohoo...9th house which is interesting cause my natal Mercury is in Sagittarius.

My Venus' Moon
Taurus but not conjunct the previous Moons. 7th house. Natal Libra Moon in the 2nd, nice reversal.
square Venus...My natal aspect.
conjunct Mars widely, hmmm
trine Saturn...Oh, how kind of you it's not a square again
opposite Pluto...maybe this is why I suspect I'd feel like I need medication
sextile Chiron exact...I guess it could bring some healing.

My Mars' Moon
Leo, 10th house and it rules the MC. Wait, does that mean I will lose my virginity with my boss?
conjunct Jupiter...Hmm, I guess I'd be quite enthusiastic if I ever decided to have sex.
opposite Saturn...Lol, I take it back.
square Pluto widely...Ummm, should I be scared?
trine Eros exact...Nice, I guess.
opposite Valentine...?


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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 13, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice moons, witches, especially you, Cappy; Tulipe was lazy

Leo, 10th house and it rules the MC. Wait, does that mean I will lose my virginity with my boss?
conjunct Jupiter...Hmm, I guess I'd be quite enthusiastic if I ever decided to have sex.
opposite Saturn...Lol, I take it back.
square Pluto widely...Ummm, should I be scared?
trine Eros exact...Nice, I guess.
opposite Valentine...?

It's the sexline, Cappy: a wonderful career ahead of you

Now, seriously...the wait will be worth it...it is obvious from all sides


Interesting thoughts, Tulipe, but IMO a Persona chart is a permanent, underlying impression on the natal chart. Comparisons between Persona and natal are very revealing, both ways, especially with houses, just like we did the NN/natal comparison. You can see in which area of life you manifest that Persona with more verve, you can see what aspects in the natal will bring that Persona to light, in a predictive way. And many other games

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posted May 13, 2014 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you;re right about the MC, Tulipe. A Persona's MC (sign, ruler aspects) tells you how that part of you will be fulfilled, what will make your Persona flourish, reach a peak. For example, MC in my Moon Persona: ruler Saturn conjunct Juno and IC in the 4th house...duh...self-explanatory. Also says it's gonna take some time for my Moon to be a Full Moon. lol

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posted May 13, 2014 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wut? Pisces MC, Neptune in the 7th conjunct NN and DSC. Yeah, sure Oh, and conjunct Uranus in the 6th. This changes things

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posted May 13, 2014 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the Moon?

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posted May 13, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. And Neptune sextile Mercury. And trine Venus exact -_- Interestingly, I have a Pisces DSC in the natal.

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posted May 13, 2014 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces will make your Moon shine

But are you psychic, Cappy, even a little bit?

It is very cool, you can look in each Persona and see how and why it will bloom.

Do you have a soft spot for any of your natal planets?

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posted May 13, 2014 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, my intuition has its moments of glory. I like most of the planets in my chart. Don't make me choose

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Tulipe
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posted May 13, 2014 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Leeloo for elaborating on my question. I just want to put the Persona chart in some context to read it , I might do a thorough comparison to the natal with each one when I'm not lazy .

Now Cappy has a tough mouth but she's very soft on the inside. I refuse to believe that she doesn't love me , at least in her dreams.

To satisfy Leeloo wife, my Moon in Venus Persona chart:

Is in SAG conjunct Eros in 12th house, it is buried deep but it is quite romantic actually. The Moon has a conjunction with SAG Venus in 1st by 9 degrees, and no other aspect . I have Moon square Sun in the natal anw so this doesn't surprise me. The Moon dispositor is Jupiter Retro in 7th, trine Sun/Mercury (MC and DSC ruler) in 11th, opposite Saturn/Neptune IC ruler in 1st. I didn't know my Scorpio Venus is so apparent to others.

Moon in Mars Persona:

Is at 0 SAG in 4th opposite Gem Mars/Jupiter in 10th. This may explain why I gravitate to Moon square Mars people so much. I don't like to fight but if I can't avoid it, I won't back down one bit. Although my feelings got hurt in the process .
Moon trine Sun/Venus/Mercury in 8th. I still manage to be fair and polite in my arguments, but only to my intimate and loved ones .

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posted May 13, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now for the Bonus, I'll grace my wifes with my Moon in Saturn Persona, to see how I am as a mature partner:

First thing I notice is the Mutable cross right on my natal Sun/Moon/North Node T-square and we all know how it affects your chart . This Mutable cross involved Juno/Union on ASC, Venus on IC, North Node on DSC, Pholus on MC is the missing leg of my natal T-square. A meeting that brings fulfillment here.
Moon in Cancer in 10th conjunct Chiron opposite Sun/Uranus/Saturn in 4th. Thanks Leeloo for the Moon phases explaining, I have a parting full Moon here, points to a fruitful saturnian role with some pain/healing involved. The Moon is also oppose Neptune/Mercury in 5th, in a T-square with Aries Mars in 8th. I can even satisfy your Neptune fantasy. Leeloo, I officially accept your proposal . Cappy, you should learn from Leeloo, I'm a keeper.

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posted May 13, 2014 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're such a delight, Tulipe

I knew I could count on you, you're the anchor of the whole multi-composite.

Interesting analysis. And isn't it true that you really confirm some things about your core nature with these Moons?

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posted May 13, 2014 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Cappy, you should learn from Leeloo, I'm a keeper.

But I'm not

My Saturn's Moon is in Aquarius in the 1st conjunct Venus and opposite Jupiter exact. I'd be horrible.

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posted May 13, 2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Come to your husband!

The Persona chart is so fascinating, although I didn't notice myself getting that fiery with those Moons, the Moons placement and aspects describe my behavior really well.

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posted May 13, 2014 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]Cappy, you should learn from Leeloo, I'm a keeper.

But I'm not

My Saturn's Moon is in Aquarius in the 1st conjunct Venus and opposite Jupiter exact. I'd be horrible.

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Ehh, I'll tame you...or die trying (see? Moon conjunct Chiron speaking here)

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posted May 21, 2014 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still in love with Persona charts. I know, you're probably sick of my obsession , just want to put it on here for decorations (nope, don't believe what I said)

So this is my North Node persona composite:


I love the Moon on DSC, Sun on MC conjunct Amor, Venus conjunct Mercury in a T-square with Juno and Ceres/Destinn. Priapus on MC, BML on IC, for a male and female axis.

And here is the Composite of Name persona charts, my name for his chart (for now), his name for my chart:

Beside Sun conjunct Saturn in 4th, Moon conjunct Jupiter in 12th, I'm more interested by the asteroids. So our Name asteroids conjunct each other (1) in 4th, Isis/Osiris/Union also conjunct (0) in 4th. I also found the symmetrical axis is almost exactly the IC/MC. By this axis, it's like the planets have an appreciation for each other:

Moon-Mars
Venus-Mercury
Juno-Sun
Pluto-the whole bunch of Isis/Osiris/Union and Saturn

It's just the name persona composite but I'm still very impressed by it, lol

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posted May 21, 2014 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought you were trying to move on >_>

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posted May 21, 2014 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I thought you were trying to move on >_>


I only obsess astrologically, I assure you .

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posted May 21, 2014 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Waste of energy Not that my celeb crush is much better

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posted May 21, 2014 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Waste of energy


Ehhh, do I hear jealousy?

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posted May 21, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naaah, do I look like a Scorpio?

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posted May 21, 2014 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like Moon Jupiter in both. Nice interpretation! 9th house again, for NN. It sure shows how you met on foreign lands (at least for you )

A lot of 4th house for the names. Have you found your Western name, lovebird?

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posted May 21, 2014 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Naaah, do I look like a Scorpio?


From my Scorpio DSC perspective you would

You wrote an amazing article Cappy, I really like your musings.

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