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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 24, 2014 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, you can compare his Valentine Persona to your natal to see if and how he falls in love with you (and what part of you makes him fall in love hehehe) and viceversa. I'll do it too, tomorrow Good night!

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Tulipe
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posted April 24, 2014 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Maybe he had a Leo ASC or Mars.

He has a Libra Mars. He does like showing his 'talents', singing to me in tram before the crowd, like to be praised and talk about his accomplisments. I was so embarrassed when going out with him.

Great idea, I'll try that tomorrow. Bonne nuit, Leeloo.

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posted April 24, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice didn't know much about Persona charts but now I'm lovin' em

Natal/Natal
Sun trine Moon (1)
Sun conjunct POF (0)
Jupiter conjunct Juno (1)

Natal/Moon-P
Mars opposite Mars (1)
Jupiter conjunct Juno (0)

Moon/Moon-P
Venus conjunct Mercury (1)

Natal/Venus-P
Moon conjunct Moon (0)
Mars conjunct Saturn (0)

Venus/Venus-P
Eros conjunct Psyche (2)

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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 25, 2014 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tulipe:
He has a Libra Mars. He does like showing his 'talents', singing to me in tram before the crowd, like to be praised and talk about his accomplisments. I was so embarrassed when going out with him.



LOL he does sound like a Leo ASC.

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posted April 25, 2014 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My natal/his Valentine (I'm inside).

His Valentine Moon - the same as his natal Venus, his Valentine DSC - the same as his natal Mars.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 25, 2014 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My progressed Valentine:



I'm in love!

ASC conjunct natal Sun, ruler of chart conjunct Mars and Valentine trine Saturn/Eros (it's gonna be a long one) trine DSC, Kite with ASC. Sun conjunct Venus/Neptune/NN. Look at that Critical Moon in Aries conjunct Alma! quincunx by Uranus at 0 deg. Scorpio. Karma exactly conjunct MC, square ASC/DSC, DSC conjunct his natal Sun/Karma/Vertex.

Well, I know I'm in love, but I wanted to show you the stars know it too

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posted April 25, 2014 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, the synastry with his Valentine P is amazing. The tight conjunction between your DSC/ASC with his Vertex/AVx. He has been waiting for you . Sun in his chart touches your Mars, while Sun in your chart touches his Venus, the soulmate link. And those are on the MC of his VP, the essence of his Valentine. His Saturn on your DSC. It will be a long love for him too. There's a Grand Cross between your Venus, his Neptune IC ruler/ASC, his Jupiter chart ruler and your Eros/his DSC. How cool is that, especially Venus is your IC ruler. His dream girl is here. He could write poems for you .

And great idea about the progressed chart, well, your ideas are always great. I'll check mine.

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posted April 25, 2014 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ASC conjunct natal Sun, ruler of chart conjunct Mars and Valentine trine Saturn/Eros (it's gonna be a long one) trine DSC, Kite with ASC. Sun conjunct Venus/Neptune/NN. Look at that Critical Moon in Aries conjunct Alma! quincunx by Uranus at 0 deg. Scorpio. Karma exactly conjunct MC, square ASC/DSC, DSC conjunct his natal Sun/Karma/Vertex.

Well, I know I'm in love, but I wanted to show you the stars know it too


Romance is in the air! Is it love at first sight?

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I'm so cappy
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posted April 25, 2014 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm in love!

Enjoy the ride

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posted April 25, 2014 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the synastry between my natal/his Valentine Persona. I'm on the inside.

I just look at patterns here:

His Sun/Moon form a T-square to my Sun and Moon/Juno/Union (4).
His Mercury/Union form a Kite to my Mars/Sun/IC (2).
His MC form a Yod to my Uranus/Saturn/his Juno and my Jupiter (0). My Uranus/Saturn/ his Juno at the apex. Remember my Uranus/Saturn is the release point of his natal Yod. LOL, how the world goes around.
My Psyche opposite his Eros (1), my Eros quincunx his Psyche (0).

Here is the progressed Valentine when I met him.

A T-square with Neptune chart ruler, Mercury DSC and IC ruler, Jupiter MC ruler also ASC traditional ruler. Valentine conjunct Union with Mars/Vertex all in 7th house. I fall hard, look at that conjunction to Saturn, and Venus at 29 Libra, I'm stucked.

The missing piece of my Grand Cross: his Valentine/Sun MC ruler. Moon is near. Union/Venus his DSC/11th/12th house ruler trine Mars co-chart ruler, trine Saturn IC traditional ruler. His Jupiter afflicted and unaspected in 12th house, ruler of Pisces intercepted, conjunct my natal Venus/Karma, the most sensitive point in my chart. MC/IC at 29 degree fixed signs, the end of a journey/cycle.

Hmm, what else? My progressed Valentine chart is Fire Void, Earth, Air dominant. His progressed Valentine chart is Earth Void, Fire and Air dominant. Earth and Fire burn each other to the ground, a stormy relationship.

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posted April 25, 2014 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Leeloo, the synastry with his Valentine P is amazing. The tight conjunction between your DSC/ASC with his Vertex/AVx. He has been waiting for you . Sun in his chart touches your Mars, while Sun in your chart touches his Venus, the soulmate link. And those are on the MC of his VP, the essence of his Valentine. His Saturn on your DSC. It will be a long love for him too. There's a Grand Cross between your Venus, his Neptune IC ruler/ASC, his Jupiter chart ruler and your Eros/his DSC. How cool is that, especially Venus is your IC ruler. His dream girl is here. He could write poems for you .

And great idea about the progressed chart, well, your ideas are always great. I'll check mine.


Aww, you're so sweet, Tulipe And you saw more things than I did, you are awesome guys, thank you, that's what I love about this forum, as it happens with visuals, everybody sees with fresh, different eyes and it's like building a puzzle, thank you so much for your insight, Tulipe.

About love at first sight... yes, it was, if I think about it, looking back, but as I usually do, at first I deny it when it happens

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posted April 25, 2014 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Nice didn't know much about Persona charts but now I'm lovin' em

[b]Natal/Natal
Sun trine Moon (1)
Sun conjunct POF (0)
Jupiter conjunct Juno (1)

Natal/Moon-P
Mars opposite Mars (1)
Jupiter conjunct Juno (0)

Moon/Moon-P
Venus conjunct Mercury (1)

Natal/Venus-P
Moon conjunct Moon (0)
Mars conjunct Saturn (0)

Venus/Venus-P
Eros conjunct Psyche (2)[/B]


Nice aspects, Moonfish, the essentials

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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 25, 2014 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About the synastry with Valentine:

His Valentine is so sweet: Sun conjunct Moon in Pisces 5th, Venus in Cap, Amor in Taurus, Critical Valentine. And your Moon/Juno conjunct his Psyche and opp/ Sun/Moon on Virgo/Pisces plus 5th/11th interlinked is so compelling forming this cross with your Sun, Jupiter, nodes and vertex involved too, basically all luminaries in the same place - you have Sun/Sun, Moon/Moon and Sun/Moon DW in this mutable cross. Venus/Jupiter DW, such a blessing.

And that Yod locked with his natal Yod is particularly interesting because he has Juno there ( I was saying about his Yod being connected with a woman) and because his natal apex is the Moon, which rules MC in his Valentine chart.

Your Moon/Juno/Union is on my Venus, if he doesn't want you, you're obviously his Yod girl, I'll take you (Cappy will be very jealous)

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Tulipe
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posted April 25, 2014 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, I'm on cloud 9 with your compliment , and Lindaland is my favorite site ever, not just about astrology but also the awesome people I met here.

So Moon quincunx Uranus at critical degree strike lightning on you . I wonder how your Pluto man fare.


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posted April 25, 2014 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About the progressed:

so his progressed Valentine completes the Cross? this is good!

Yes, this is a strong love for you: that conjunction is super heavy: Uranus (ruler of the NN and of your natal) AND Vesta AND Saturn AND Neptune AND in Cap AND in 10th! squaring DSC ruler. But it looks you've found yourself a partner that day: DSC ruler conjunct Juno, Mars conjunct Valentine and Union, Karma, MC near your Sun, plus Jupiter is involved!

Cardinal Cross involving both charts... nothing happening between you nowadays?? Earth and Fire is also Volcano, immense energy building up until release, it goes well with the Yods. The Yod is generally like a volcano.

His Pluto ruler of Valentine that day entering 12th house where Jupiter lies hidden: he doesn't know he found a treasure that day, again, makes me think about the forming of a volcano (combined with the interception). Hm... mysterious things about to happen, I think, the story hasn't been told yet.

BTW, if I remember correctly, he has some heavy planets in his natal 12th?

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posted April 25, 2014 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
About the synastry with Valentine:

His Valentine is so sweet: Sun conjunct Moon in Pisces 5th, Venus in Cap, Amor in Taurus, Critical Valentine. And your Moon/Juno conjunct his Psyche and opp/ Sun/Moon on Virgo/Pisces plus 5th/11th interlinked is so compelling forming this cross with your Sun, Jupiter, nodes and vertex involved too, basically all luminaries in the same place - you have Sun/Sun, Moon/Moon and Sun/Moon DW in this mutable cross. Venus/Jupiter DW, such a blessing.

And that Yod locked with his natal Yod is particularly interesting because he has Juno there ( I was saying about his Yod being connected with a woman) and because his natal apex is the Moon, which rules MC in his Valentine chart.

Your Moon/Juno/Union is on my Venus, if he doesn't want you, you're obviously his Yod girl, I'll take you (Cappy will be very jealous)


Oh, thank you Leeloo, I honestly can't put them all together like that. Now I really SEE. That man puts a spell on me.
It was raining all day and when I read your message the sun comes out. It must be a sign, take me pls. I'm sure Cappy would like a 3some .

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posted April 25, 2014 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw, my Venus in Scorpio like this. Yes he has Pluto, Saturn and Jupiter all in 12th house. He has heavy karma to work through, especially Karma is exact on his South Node. Things happened between us were very sweet and quiet. We've never fighted or raised our voice, yet sometimes I think it's just the silence before a storm.

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posted April 25, 2014 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, I'm only open to 2somes

Guys, what do you think about my Talent?

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posted April 25, 2014 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
We've never fighted or raised our voice, yet sometimes I think it's just the silence before a storm.


Exactly! that's what it makes me think when seeing your charts.

Here is his progressed Valentine for the day of our meeting. I did mine for yesterday, because that's when I knew I was in love!

I like how the clear, closed pattern has its median: the MC. His Sun/Venus/Valentine conjunct my Vesta and MC.

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posted April 25, 2014 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, now, Cappy, haven't we established your talent is connected to your Mars?

And stop being so "retrograde" with your 2some

I'll take a look.

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posted April 25, 2014 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Nope, I'm only open to 2somes

Guys, what do you think about my Talent?


First of all, you seem very nurturing. Moon ruler of chart, Moon conjunct Venus entering 6th, MC and Talent in Pisces, 6th house emphasis.

Your talents will bring you good fortune (Jupiter on IC connected to all), but it is obvious from the 6th house emphasis and Saturn sextile Moon that you need to work on your gifts every day in order to discover your talent. Because Uranus and Neptune conjunct talent on DSC, you must have at least (some) genius Saturn ruler of DSC and NN suggests succes and becoming an authority at some point later in life, maybe involved with teaching or foreign affairs (Talent in 9th). I think at some point you will teach, probably university level. You do have artistic gifts or interests with Moon/Venus and Neptune there, plus Venus/Moon in 5th, MC in Pisces. However, I also see at some point in life you will change your career (Pluto in Scorpio in 5th near Vertex). You will discover a hidden talent (Scorpio, Taurus intercepted). This change is supported by Mercury conjunct Mars in Sag, 6th, Mars ruler of intercepted 11th. Kind of an abrupt change. You will change places too, even countries. It's so common nowadays, luckily for our generations. it will take some time for you to discover what you really want to do: Sun DSC etc. in Cap.

The only way to discover is to work every day on the things you like to do.

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posted April 25, 2014 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His chart looks quite fetching. Sun/Venus/Valentine exact conjunction, the classic case of falling in love. Some would even say 'love of life' here. The MC/IC is like an axe de symmetrie. If you fold the pattern by this axis, you would have Mars MC ruler merge with Venus IC ruler, Pluto higher octave of Mars merge with Neptune higher octave of Venus, Moon DSC ruler merge with Jupiter/Juno. This is a time for Yin-Yang merging.
You have a similar pattern in your chart, except you have Saturn. Your Saturn and his Moon , what's more fitting? You're each other missing part. It looks to me he's being knocked out that day.

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posted April 25, 2014 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
First of all, you seem very nurturing. Moon ruler of chart, Moon conjunct Venus entering 6th, MC and Talent in Pisces, 6th house emphasis.

Your talents will bring you good fortune (Jupiter on IC connected to all), but it is obvious from the 6th house emphasis and Saturn sextile Moon that you need to work on your gifts every day in order to discover your talent. Because Uranus and Neptune conjunct talent on DSC, you must have at least (some) genius Saturn ruler of DSC and NN suggests succes and becoming an authority at some point later in life, maybe involved with teaching or foreign affairs (Talent in 9th). I think at some point you will teach, probably university level. You do have artistic gifts or interests with Moon/Venus and Neptune there, plus Venus/Moon in 5th, MC in Pisces. However, I also see at some point in life you will change your career (Pluto in Scorpio in 5th near Vertex). You will discover a hidden talent (Scorpio, Taurus intercepted). This change is supported by Mercury conjunct Mars in Sag, 6th, Mars ruler of intercepted 11th. Kind of an abrupt change. You will change places too, even countries. It's so common nowadays, luckily for our generations. it will take some time for you to discover what you really want to do: Sun DSC etc. in Cap.

The only way to discover is to work every day on the things you like to do.


Yay!! Cappy will go far. I wonder if Jupiter Retro in 4th and Uranus/Neptune on DSC will slow this process down, because it's in those houses where you will have to work to own what you got.

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posted April 25, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tulipe:
His chart looks quite fetching. Sun/Venus/Valentine exact conjunction, the classic case of falling in love. Some would even say 'love of life' here. The MC/IC is like an axe de symmetrie. If you fold the pattern by this axis, you would have Mars MC ruler merge with Venus IC ruler, Pluto higher octave of Mars merge with Neptune higher octave of Venus, Moon DSC ruler merge with Jupiter/Juno. This is a time for Yin-Yang merging.
You have a similar pattern in your chart, except you have Saturn. Your Saturn and his Moon , what's more fitting? You're each other missing part. It looks to me he's being knocked out that day.


Wow, Tulipe, you're brilliant with patterns, I mean it, you're amazing, never thought about the folding, I don't know where you find these unique ideas

Apart from this, you pick up where I left it and viceversa. I wonder if it's not our Mercury Neptune connection. Your Sun/Mercury conjunct my Neptune/NN and Mercury square Neptune Besides, my Venus on your SN, aha, it's not the first time we meet

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posted April 25, 2014 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got so many positive energies today.

I noticed too that our thought processes really compliment each other. Maybe your NN guides my Sun/Mercury then your Neptune works its magic.

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Besides, my Venus on your SN, aha, it's not the first time we meet

And it will not be the last time with your NN/my Sun, youpi!!!
Besides, Leeloo, you have a way with words , "Retrogade" Cappy is blushing and hiding somewhere, I can't find her.

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