posted May 28, 2015 03:04 PM            

Just picked up Human Design by Chetan Parkyn from my favorite bookstore for $25. Just wanted to share.

posted May 28, 2015 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Hi all!

Just picked up Human Design by Chetan Parkyn from my favorite bookstore for $25. Just wanted to share.

Carry on

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Hi SDragon, I just received a copy of "The Definitive Book of Human Design" by the founder and Lynda Bunnell yesterday and began reading it last night! Maybe we can compare notes at some point.

posted May 28, 2015 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
I would like to know how are channels defined as well... Seems like even if the gates are activated, some centers remain open. I was puzzled about that.

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Hi YellowGerbera,

I went through all the HD charts on the thread. In every case, when two active gates form a defined channel, the two centers connected by the defined channel are defined as well. I hope that makes sense.

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I just saw this Peony!! Thanks for putting it all together!

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You're welcome. It was fun!

posted May 28, 2015 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Sounds about right SaturnFan! There was deff a telepathic thought reading/connection between him and i. And yes, he was able to read my thoughts and communicate with me through telepathy and I with him as well. It had it's advantages and disadvantages because when we ended the relationship, I was still able to read his thoughts/feelings! LOL ... it was very annoying, but eventually, I managed to let him go, and that was when things calmed down telepathically!

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Blue, what in the astrological synastry reflects this telepathic rapport between you?

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These insights are validating my perspectives about what happened between him and I. It's given me a solid understanding as to what happened with the dynamics and why the connection fell apart.

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Was the astrological synastry similarly revealing? My goal is to find out where HD and astrology's strengths dovetail and where they diverge in their respective capacities for insight and understanding. What do you think in this instance?

posted May 28, 2015 10:24 PM            

Thanks for that gate analysis. I will have an in depth look tomorrow.

Regarding the synastry, I am not sure..don't know how to read a synastry chart yet.

I can send over to you on email if you'd like?

posted May 28, 2015 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^^ Thanks peony

I need to catch up ~ for now I just wanted to post these charts.

Ra Uru Hu Human Design chart:

Transit chart for Ibiza encounter:

Not sure if this is how transits work in the HD system, but it looks like, by transit, all Ra Uru Hu's Centers were defined at that time.

-Transiting Red Gate 63 formed a channel with Ra's Gate 4 to define his Head Center.

-Transiting black Gate 14 formed a channel with Ra's Gate 2 to define his Sacral Center.

-Transiting red Gate 60 formed a channel with Ra's Gate 3 to define his Root Center.

-Several transiting Gates define his Solar Plexus.

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Faith, you're welcome.

Actually, it's 39-55 that defines his Root and Solar Plexus centers in the transit chart. 3-60 is not a defined channel, so almost but Sacral remains undefined.

I don't know about this. What date and time did you use for the transit chart?

posted May 28, 2015 11:14 PM            

I've seen conflicting information about the exact date it began.

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3-60 is not a defined channel, so almost but Sacral remains undefined.

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posted May 28, 2015 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Hey Peony,

Regarding the synastry, I am not sure..don't know how to read a synastry chart yet.

I can send over to you on email if you'd like?

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posted May 29, 2015 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Hi Faith

I'd like to take you up on this. Would you be willing to share what you did?

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Not sure I understand your question...if you meant, will I share the results of my future research, my answer is "probably." Sometimes I need to take breaks from this forum, and I'm not sure how long I'll continue with HD. But...probably, I will research and post.

If you meant, will I share the research I already did, here's some of it:

- My sister and I have very similar HD charts. We have the same five centers defined. Additionally, I have a defined G Center (sense of identity.) Hers is open.

I'm not experienced enough to really know what this means. But my sister was "stealing my identity" in the last years that we were talking. :/ The face value of the symbolism startled me.

- I've also noticed patterns with how much I resonate with people who have gates that define my Solar Plexus. My best friend and husband both have a defined Gate 12 to match my defined Gate 22.

- I think I might be able to feel a defined solar plexus on people. Still trying to differentiate between intuition and imagination (Pisces moon square Neptune!)
And I'm starting to wonder if I feel better around people with a lot of open centers. Even listening to people with mostly open centers seems to have an encouraging and uplifting effect, but that is a tentative theory.

posted May 29, 2015 07:01 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Hi SDragon, I just received a copy of "The Definitive Book of Human Design" by the founder and Lynda Bunnell yesterday and began reading it last night! Maybe we can compare notes at some point.

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posted May 29, 2015 03:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Not sure I understand your question...

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Let me clarify. I was asking about this comment:

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HD has nailed some things going on in my life, in a very uncanny way...

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This is why I think it's worth my time and effort to find out what HD has to offer, not to take anything away from astrology, but to determine if HD can enhance and compliment the "astrological revelation," as Rick Tarnas puts it.

If it's personal and you don't want to reveal it, I understand.

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- My sister and I have very similar HD charts. We have the same five centers defined. Additionally, I have a defined G Center (sense of identity.) Hers is open.

I'm not experienced enough to really know what this means. But my sister was "stealing my identity" in the last years that we were talking. :/ The face value of the symbolism startled me.

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This might help to explain the dynamic:

"People with undefined G Centers have no fixed identity. This is not a handicap, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. What is difficult for them to comprehend is living without knowing who they are, or having a consistent and reliable sense of identity...they blend in or adapt to the people they interact with, and they can fit in anywhere or nowhere. One way or the other, they are always subject to the auric influences (definition) of the people in their environment."

That would be you in this instance given your defined G Center. Does your sister's Neptune aspect your Moon-Neptune or is there something in the astrological synastry that speaks to this dynamic between you?

The way that HD addresses dynamics in synastry in the context of defined and open centers and channels between charts is something I find impressive about the system. It seems to yield insights unique to itself, but I'm not certain of this yet. This is what I'm hoping to find out. It's "early days" yet. One thing I've already discovered is that this feature of HD has helped me with astrological interpretation in a more precise way.

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- I've also noticed patterns with how much I resonate with people who have gates that define my Solar Plexus. My best friend and husband both have a defined Gate 12 to match my defined Gate 22.

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Here's an excerpt about the 12-22 Channel from Lynda Bunnell's HD book:

"The Channel of Openness links the Solar Plexus to the Throat Center through the Gate of Openness (22) and the Gate of Caution (12). Openness in Channel 12-22 is dependent on the ebb and flow of the emotional wave or mood. It creatively voices or acts out the moodiness, melancholy, passion, romance and drama of the Individual emotional wave. There is a quality of restraint in the 12th gate that governs the 22nd gate's openness, limiting it to social interactions with people who appear to have the most mutative potential."

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- I think I might be able to feel a defined solar plexus on people. Still trying to differentiate between intuition and imagination (Pisces moon square Neptune!)

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According to HD, if you have an open Solar Plexus, you do pick up on the feelings and emotions of people with a defined SP and amplify them. According to your Sacral Authority, let your gut feeling lead.

Interesting! We both have a Moon square Neptune and a defined 43-23 channel. My Moon is in the 12H, only I have an undefined G center. In childhood, that and the Moon square Neptune made it a struggle with identity and being too impressionable and affected by other people's feelings.

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And I'm starting to wonder if I feel better around people with a lot of open centers. Even listening to people with mostly open centers seems to have an encouraging and uplifting effect, but that is a tentative theory.

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We tend to be drawn to people who have open centers that are defined in our charts. Again, from the book: "A person with definition is naturally attracted to a person with an open center, and visa versa."

The Definitive Book of Human Design, The Science of Differentiation, Lynda Bunnell.

posted May 29, 2015 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Well, it's the same book SaturnFan sent the link to so the material's not really new, just thought I'd like to add it to my library. Wish I had your book as well!

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SDragon, I waited to see if a used copy showed up on Amazon or eBay, but no such luck. It's $53 new, but I'm glad I bought it!

Let me know if there's something you'd like an excerpt on. I can't give lengthy quotes of course, but I'd be glad to share.

posted May 29, 2015 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I went through all the HD charts on the thread. In every case, when two active gates form a defined channel, the two centers connected by the defined channel are defined as well. I hope that makes sense.

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So that means at least two active gates between an open center and a defined center. One of the center has to be defined at least I suppose? Can't have two active gates connecting two open centers..?

posted May 29, 2015 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
So that means at least two active gates between an open center and a defined center. One of the center has to be defined at least I suppose? Can't have two active gates connecting two open centers..?

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No, two active gates within a channel form a defined channel between two defined centers. "Can't have two active gates connecting two open centers" - If the gates are within the same channel, no.

Let's take a look at your HD chart on Page 4 of this thread. Here's a list of all your defined channels:

43-23 (Ajna-Throat)
20-10 (Throat-G )
10-34 (G-Sacral)
20-34 (Throat-Sacral)
28-38 (Spleen-Root)
41-30 (Root-Solar Plexus)

posted May 30, 2015 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
This is why I think it's worth my time and effort to find out what HD has to offer, not to take anything away from astrology, but to determine if HD can enhance and compliment the "astrological revelation," as Rick Tarnas puts it.

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I agree. And I love Richard Tarnas! Why do you call him Rick? Do you know him personally?

Here's his Human Design Chart ~ he's a Manifesting Generator:

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Originally posted by peony:
We tend to be drawn to people who have open centers that are defined in our charts.

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Apparently so. Yes.

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Originally posted by peony:
"People with undefined G Centers have no fixed identity. This is not a handicap, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. What is difficult for them to comprehend is living without knowing who they are, or having a consistent and reliable sense of identity...they blend in or adapt to the people they interact with, and they can fit in anywhere or nowhere. One way or the other, they are always subject to the auric influences (definition) of the people in their environment."

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I feel vulnerable to everyone's energy but it doesn't alter my sense of identity. I think I get it.

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Originally posted by peony:
Does your sister's Neptune aspect your Moon-Neptune or is there something in the astrological synastry that speaks to this dynamic between you?

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Thanks for asking. Her Scorpio Neptune completes a water grand trine with my moon and her moon. Her Neptune is on my NN.

We are so similar yet so different. It's always been important to me to preserve the *different,* to mark out my own territory, so perhaps I've resented her Neptune.

We have Mars square Pluto in synastry, and some other serious issues, but I think you may be onto something: it's the Neptune that drives me bonkers. Like being imprisoned in a Fun House with those warped mirrors and things that make you dizzy.

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Originally posted by peony:
Here's an excerpt about the 12-22 Channel from Lynda Bunnell's HD book....

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Thank you so much. "There is a quality of restraint in the 12th gate that governs the 22nd gate's openness, limiting it to social interactions with people who appear to have the most mutative potential."

Mutative ~ mutable signs:

Gate 12: June 14-18 - "quality of restraint"
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"12 at the Throat Center... has the voice of caution, "Maybe, I'll get around to it - if I feel like it, but it will happen in my own time and way.
WHEN I AM IN THE MOOD."

Gate 22: March 8-13 - "openness"
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"Gate 22 has the potential magic of communicating gracefully. Meaning they can bring about mutation through poetry and song and through all kinds of written and musical art."
http://humandesign.com/channel-of-openness-12-22

So, 22 corresponds to my moon, and it appears that HD is saying, my moon gets activated or potentized somehow by a wide square to late Gemini. In traditional astrology that doesn't make much sense. And I haven't had much interaction with late Gemini suns, so I don't know if the synastry would be anything special.

The Secret Language synastry report for this combination does match that brief HD reading. One of the six summarizing adjectives is "self-actualizing." Hmmm!

HD reading for 12-22:

One of the most extraordinary things about the 12/22 is that when you get them out of an environment where they’re empowering others with their mutation, they are deeply anti social beings. Anyone who is a Manifestor is potentially subject to criticism for their actions.,The 12 - 22, being an Emotional Manifestor channel, can trigger other people's emotional tendencies. Individuals are here to empower others, but if they find themselves always empowering other people's emotional moodiness, they’re inclined to avoid people - just to avoid drama.

SL reading for corresponding dates:

Family relationships (particularly sibling matchups of the opposite sex) and even friendships are capable of intense psychic connections. Peak experiences are likely between such close pairs; being hard to describe or share with others, these may limit the ability of these siblings or friends to get close to others in their lives, so that they sometimes form a closed and somewhat isolated unit.

See the match? It's really interesting to me.

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Originally posted by peony:
My Moon is in the 12H, only I have an undefined G center. In childhood, that and the Moon square Neptune made it a struggle with identity and being too impressionable and affected by other people's feelings.

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Wow, yes, I would imagine so. Did astrology help anchor and define you?

And have you posted your chart anywhere? I don't even know your sun and moon signs. I put my stats in my signature here.

Nice chatting with you.

posted May 30, 2015 11:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
And I love Richard Tarnas! Why do you call him Rick? Do you know him personally?

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You have excellent taste, my dear. I haven't seen Rick in years, but yes, I know him. He's informal. Everybody calls him "Rick." The Draco chart connections are eerie!

"People with undefined G Centers have no fixed identity. This is not a handicap, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. What is difficult for them to comprehend is living without knowing who they are, or having a consistent and reliable sense of identity...they blend in or adapt to the people they interact with, and they can fit in anywhere or nowhere. One way or the other, they are always subject to the auric influences (definition) of the people in their environment."

The Definitive Book of Human Design, Lynda Bunnell

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I feel vulnerable to everyone's energy but it doesn't alter my sense of identity. I think I get it.

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I'm not sure I was clear about this. The quoted passages relate to your sister and her undefined G Center - she being subject to the influence of your defined G Center.

"There is a quality of restraint in the 12th gate that governs the 22nd gate's openness, limiting it to social interactions with people who appear to have the most mutative potential."

Ibid

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Mutative ~ mutable signs:

Gate 12: June 14-18 - "quality of restraint"
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"12 at the Throat Center... has the voice of caution, "Maybe, I'll get around to it - if I feel like it, but it will happen in my own time and way.
WHEN I AM IN THE MOOD."

Gate 22: March 8-13 - "openness"
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"Gate 22 has the potential magic of communicating gracefully. Meaning they can bring about mutation through poetry and song and through all kinds of written and musical art."

http://humandesign.com/channel-of-openness-12-22

So, 22 corresponds to my moon, and it appears that HD is saying, my moon gets activated or potentized somehow by a wide square to late Gemini. In traditional astrology that doesn't make much sense. And I haven't had much interaction with late Gemini suns, so I don't know if the synastry would be anything special.

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The planet/sign/gate/channel linkages aren't something I've grocked yet. Don't know. But, I would love to have a defined Gate 22! Pisces Moon in the 8H combined with the meaning of Gate 22...hmmm. I wonder if this could mean receiving inspiration in the dream or altered states.

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Originally posted by peony:
My Moon is in the 12H, only I have an undefined G center. In childhood, that and the Moon square Neptune made it a struggle with identity and being too impressionable and affected by other people's feelings.

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Wow, yes, I would imagine so. Did astrology help anchor and define you?

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Why, now that you mention it, yes!

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Nice chatting with you.

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Likewise!

Leo Sun 1H conjunct Leo ASC, Cancer Moon-Uranus 12H/11H.

posted June 01, 2015 04:43 AM            

This thread 'happened' at a perfect time for me. Looking back, it was a form of 'preparation' for this place I ended up last week, because it reminded me of a few important things which I got to apply in real life I was in full Projector mode and it was wonderful! One of the best weeks of my life.

Just wanted to respond to a few posts here.

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Yes, that's the situation I have with someone. We have a 6-3 so I'm concerned about how much time we're going to be spending together. Also, I think he's polyamorous. I know you say this can manifest in different ways, but he has 7 out of 9 centers open, besides our 6-3.

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I met someone very significant, and we have the same configuration He has 7 open centres, and our synastry is 6-3, though the 3 open centres are Head, Ajna and Throat. I really liked how this energy felt, because it allows you to absorb the outside world through the 3 open centres, but the other 6 still glue you together.

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
I would like to know how are channels defined as well... Seems like even if the gates are activated, some centers remain open. I was puzzled about that.

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Originally posted by peony:
I went through all the HD charts on the thread. In every case, when two active gates form a defined channel, the two centers connected by the defined channel are defined as well. I hope that makes sense.

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Peony's right. You can't have an isolated defined centre - a defined centre is always connected to (at least) another defined centre through a defined channel.

We have 64 Gates in the HD Mandala.
The planets travel around the Mandala and activate a Gate at a time.
When they happen to activate 2 Gates which sit opposite each other, these 2 Gates connect and you get a defined Channel + 2 defined Centres.

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Originally posted by peony:
Hi SDragon, I just received a copy of "The Definitive Book of Human Design" by the founder and Lynda Bunnell yesterday and began reading it last night!

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Great! How do you like it?

posted June 01, 2015 12:26 PM            

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Hey, SaturnFan, it's great to have you back!

[QUOTE][B]This thread 'happened' at a perfect time for me. Looking back, it was a form of 'preparation' for this place I ended up last week, because it reminded me of a few important things which I got to apply in real life I was in full Projector mode and it was wonderful! One of the best weeks of my life.

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About the book, there's plenty to think about and discuss for years, but right now, I wonder when the supernova happened and the planet was bombarded with three times the number of neutrinos than usual. Bunnell just says it was after Ra's awakening in '87. Do you come across when this happened?

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I'll get back to you on the open centres synastry from the other book (by Karen Curry) later today.

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Let's do this offline, okay? I'll send you an email.

posted June 01, 2015 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hi everyone! I'm so happy that these fascinating discussions have been going on while I was away! You are all awesome

This thread 'happened' at a perfect time for me. Looking back, it was a form of 'preparation' for this place I ended up last week, because it reminded me of a few important things which I got to apply in real life I was in full Projector mode and it was wonderful! One of the best weeks of my life.

Just wanted to respond to a few posts here.

Great! How do you like it?

I'll get back to you on the open centres synastry from the other book (by Karen Curry) later today.

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posted June 02, 2015 10:01 AM            

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About the book, there's plenty to think about and discuss for years, but right now, I wonder when the supernova happened and the planet was bombarded with three times the number of neutrinos than usual. Bunnell just says it was after Ra's awakening in '87. Do you come across when this happened?

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posted June 02, 2015 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I met someone very significant, and we have the same configuration. He has 7 open centres, and our synastry is 6-3, though the 3 open centres are Head, Ajna and Throat. I really liked how this energy felt, because it allows you to absorb the outside world through the 3 open centres, but the other 6 still glue you together.

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Ra's explanation for 6-3 made it sound like two people with this dynamic aren't very involved in each other's lives. Have you found this to be the case?

posted June 02, 2015 08:07 PM            

Variable: PLR DRL Type & Profile: Manifestor 5 / 1 Definition: Single Definition
Inner Authority: Emotional - Solar Plexus Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Demands (52/58 | 21/48)

posted June 02, 2015 10:52 PM            

Here's a novel idea, or at least one I haven't heard before. According to HD, in the individual birth chart, at the time of a Uranus opposition, between the ages of 38 and 43, we move from the South Node to the North Node which "signals a process of letting go of what no longer serves us, and retaining what does."

This is echoed by the first Saturn square after the first Saturn return leading up to the second Saturn opposition when the existing structure of our lives begin to fray and a separation from the past can be acutely felt.

A significant nodal return also occurs around this same time at age 38, according to the Saros cycle of the Moon's nodes. Erin Sullivan in her "Saturn" book says this nodal return signals the ending of a chapter and the beginning of a new one in terms of our life's work.

posted June 02, 2015 10:56 PM            

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Hi peony - it was about 2 months after his 'encounter', if I remember right. There are lots of interpretations of that, ranging from "He's obviously lying then." to "The Voice must have worked at a speed faster than the speed of the neutrinos."

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Lying about what?

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Here is mine:

Variable: PLR DRL Type & Profile: Manifestor 5 / 1 Definition: Single Definition
Inner Authority: Emotional - Solar Plexus Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Demands (52/58 | 21/48)

How do I read this?

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Hey athenegodess - we have the same profile and incarnation cross!

I recommend having a look here:

Left Angle Profile - 5/1

and here:
The Manifestor Type

Your Solar Plexus authority means that the best way for you take decisions is to wait to achieve emotional clarity, rather than being misled by too much enthusiasm or too much despair. If you go back in this thread, there was a very interesting discussion of the Solar Plexus authority.

The Incarnation Cross of Demands means we strive for perfection (the 'demand' is something we impose upon ourselves) - this plays nicely into the 5/1 profile, which is about long, long preparation and then taking action at the right moment.