posted May 12, 2015 01:25 AM              

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
To my fellow projectors here.. i am curious to see of any good examples in this whole 'wait for invitation' experiences?

I pretty much have a clear understanding why we have to wait to be recognized and then invited etc, I have positive examples with this though where the last three jobs i had were all invites, however, wouldn't it be passive to constantly sit and wait for a job invitation to come? I mean there is the everyday reality we have to face ie. pay for bills, have money to spend etc.. how do we handle this life expectations? if anyone would like to share their experiences, that would be great!

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Greetings fellow Projector

Here's a great example from SatrunFan

When we are relaxed in our energy, do not try to initiate things or intervene and 'let the aura talk' it emits a message "Ask me anything". Projectors who relax and truly wait, soon find that they can't get rid of people and questions. I actually tested this last year in a workshop immediately after I had spent a couple of days reading about the Projector aura. Usually I actively network with people but then, during the first break, I just grabbed a coffee, sat in a chair away from the others and just started doing my own thing and enjoying myself (in this case, reading a journal). Within 2 minutes I had people come asking me what did I think of the workshop so far, sharing their observations and so on. More than half of the group had moved over to my spot before the break was over

We wouldn't be passive. We would still go about meeting our daily obligations. For example, many times when we drive our cars we are not focusing our complete energy on this (sometimes) mundane activity we perform every day. A part of our energy is engaged in something else. What is that something else? Usually if we do not think of it consciously, it is an unhelpful distraction, where we have involved ourselves in something and are focusing uninvited, or we are not focusing on anything at all. The abundance of excess energy we are not focusing on our everyday routine, should be focused on some kind of study, research, or discipline. People feel the intensity of this focused aura, and this is how the Projector is recognized and then invited.

This is from my personal experience, not from studying HD. HD has better words to describe it and much more to add I'm sure.

posted May 12, 2015 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
So Peony, basically Saturn makes positive aspects in my chart to the planets, in houses and signs, that support waiting (Projector), and then waiting (Emotional Authority). Saturn squares the planets, in houses and signs, that by their nature are opposed to working within the structure of my design.

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Well, that's interesting.

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This man Human Design Authority: Emotional describes what the Emotional Authority must do to connect with his emotional body. The words he uses to describe the Emotional Authority who is working with his design and is connected with his emotional body are; heavy, slow, weight(y). In the presence of the this type of Emotional Authority (working within his design and not letting others interfere with the process) one might feel the pull of gravity, and the slowing of time. One will feel the gravity of waiting. This is the "wait, and hold back" energy that gives the emotional process the time it needs to bring the Emotional Authority to the truth. I instantly hear Saturn, and think of what Saturn is doing in my chart.

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Yes, all Saturn references.

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Saturn is squaring my Gemini Mars in 11. So a Saturn square to Mars looks like I have trouble being assertive, I get frustrated, things like that. Well obviously Gemini Mars is not going to want to play by the Emotional Authority rules of engagement. Gem Mars wants to think fast, act fast, move, move, move. Mars doesn't get frustrated by Saturn. Mars get frustrated when he doesn't play by the rules that bring success to the Emotional Authority Projector. Saturn is there as a positive, to help Mars, either by providing a channel or by modifying Mars' actions. It's a square. Mars' urges are strong and accepting the influence of Saturn hurts, but brings rewards. Non-compliance is illusory freedom.

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"Emotional Authority Rules of Engagement" - that cracks me up, Venus! So, even though it's a square and a Saturn square at that, Saturn's activity is actually helpful because it works in line with Emotional Authority.

Wouldn't Saturn also tend to rein in Mars's tendency to multi-task or spread itself too thin or gloss over things too quickly, whereas Saturn can teach Mars to slow down and pay closer attention to the details? I think your Moon would help here too.

Now, as I understand it, doing a number of things simultaneously is fine for a Manifesting Generator (I think that's the one who has abundant energy reserves) and Mars in Gemini likes that too. But for a Projector who doesn't have access to all that energy, it seems a Mars in Gemini could put a strain on a Projector's limited energy reserves. Do you find that's true or not?

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And then see Saturn trine Moon in Taurus. Taurus is a grounded Moon (the emotions are deep, but as a Taurus I know how to be still (wait, and not act) while the emotions are being processed. Saturn is there to support that Moon. The Moon wants to be steady and work within the structure of my design, but it is opposed by Uranus (a good thing, but a difficult thing), and squared by a Asc/Jup/Merc conjunction.

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I can see why Uranus is a good thing and a hard thing at the same time, yes. Uranus opposing Moon may mean that there's a larger or archetypal scope to your "Mother" role in this life. In other words, a more expansive "mother" role beyond personal family. If such is the case, disruptions in your personal life have probably served this larger goal or role, I'd say. That is, if the HD chart and the kind of profile you have confirms this reading of your Uranus-Moon opposition.

What about the squares to your Leo planets? Is it Leo's impatience and spontaneity that can resist working within your design parameters?

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Saturn sextiles Cancer Venus in 11. That Venus is a self-protective reserved Venus until she is sure. She is happy to wait and to work within the structure of my design, but she receives a square from Pluto (another good, but difficult thing). Venus needs Pluto's lessons, like the Moon needs Uranus' lessons. This exposure almost cultures these receptive planets, expanding their capacity to absorb and understand, but they need steadying, and Saturn is there to provide it. Venus in Cancer, and Moon in Taurus only need a gentle touch unlike Gemini Mars and Sagittarius Neptune.

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This is what I mean when I say, [b]"I think that the Emotional Authority can look to Saturn in their chart, and focus on developing its energy. Saturn blesses the chart of the Emotional Authority, and challenges to Saturn should be checked"

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I'm convinced this is true for you after what I've just read, and for some other people, but I'm not sure this is universally true. It seems like you're looking at the Saturn archetype in its positive aspects only, but what about the shadow side of Saturn? Have you ever seen Goya's painting of Chronos-Saturn eating his children?

posted May 12, 2015 03:03 AM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
This thing is so cool but I have no idea how to read it except to google what's at the top!

Here is mine...

Can someone read mine? Thank you!!

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posted May 12, 2015 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Greetings fellow Projector

Here's a great example from SatrunFan

[b]When we are relaxed in our energy, do not try to initiate things or intervene and 'let the aura talk' it emits a message "Ask me anything". Projectors who relax and truly wait, soon find that they can't get rid of people and questions. I actually tested this last year in a workshop immediately after I had spent a couple of days reading about the Projector aura. Usually I actively network with people but then, during the first break, I just grabbed a coffee, sat in a chair away from the others and just started doing my own thing and enjoying myself (in this case, reading a journal). Within 2 minutes I had people come asking me what did I think of the workshop so far, sharing their observations and so on. More than half of the group had moved over to my spot before the break was over

We wouldn't be passive. We would still go about meeting our daily obligations. For example, many times when we drive our cars we are not focusing our complete energy on this (sometimes) mundane activity we perform every day. A part of our energy is engaged in something else. What is that something else? Usually if we do not think of it consciously, it is an unhelpful distraction, where we have involved ourselves in something and are focusing uninvited, or we are not focusing on anything at all. The abundance of excess energy we are not focusing on our everyday routine, should be focused on some kind of study, research, or discipline. People feel the intensity of this focused aura, and this is how the Projector is recognized and then invited.

This is from my personal experience, not from studying HD. HD has better words to describe it and much more to add I'm sure.

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Ja! totally...whilst I am on this transition, crossroads process, I am actually doing some research, perceiving within (Knowing Thyself), and most importantly RELAXING! It's just there is a time or two where the mind starts churning and spitting out "You have to do this and dooo that" blablabla LOL...

But totally, chill out, do your thing, and then BAAM, things will start coming our way.. I've seen it happen before, just gotta exercise MORE PATIENCE! lallalaa*

posted May 12, 2015 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
This is the first chart I've seen so far that has defined 10-20, 10-57, 20-57, and 34-57 channels connecting Sacral, Spleen, Identity, and Throat Centers! This looks significant. I'm sure SaturnFan will have interesting things to say about this.

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Ooo thanks Peony!

When I googled those channels you mentioned, I came across this website which included all of them!
http://www.humandesignsystem.com/archive/articles/Martin/0012.htm

"The Power of the Great" sounds awesome!!
I'm not sure if the article is well written but many things on there resonate with me.

Since I was a child, it was easy to see that I had authoritative and leadership qualities. My mom and I always bumped heads because of this. But I never abused these qualities in an arrogant way. I never really saw myself as a "leader" though. I don't like to be one. Instead, I think I am more like a "coach" to ppl around me. and thankfully for me, I'm surrounded by people who appreciate my coaching ways

My life into adulthood wasn't a smooth sailing but I have managed to stay sane (or so I think)! I now have stable a career and will be thriving to go up and further. I have my life & career planned till my retirement (just roughly though).

posted May 12, 2015 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
It is very cool though that you are a EA Projector. I am really looking forward to discussing with you.

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Venus, likewise. I'm certain it's no accident that we've both gravitated to this thread and are having this conversation. I think it's true for all of us here, but I'm not familiar with the others' charts. If I recall correctly, you're a Sun-Venus in Cancer. I'm a Moon-Venus in Cancer. You have Moon opposite Uranus, I have the conjunction. We're both Leo risings with Saturn in Virgo in the 2H.

This is a favorite quote about Saturn: "Saturn refines things to their absolute worth, and dispenses with false credentials" (Douglas Baker). I can appreciate Saturn in the abstract, but I'm benefiting from your insight, knowledge, and experience. Thank you!

I have Pluto in aspect to Saturn, an active 12H, and Saturn in the 2H aspecting a 1H Pluto, so it seems like I'm more attuned to Saturn's shadow and problematic sides.

posted May 12, 2015 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
When I googled those channels you mentioned, I came across this website which included all of them!
http://www.humandesignsystem.com/archive/articles/Martin/0012.htm

"The Power of the Great" sounds awesome!!
I'm not sure if the article is well written but many things on there resonate with me.

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YG, I just read the article. It does sound awesome!

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Since I was a child, it was easy to see that I had authoritative and leadership qualities. My mom and I always bumped heads because of this. But I never abused these qualities in an arrogant way. I never really saw myself as a "leader" though. I don't like to be one. Instead, I think I am more like a "coach" to ppl around me. and thankfully for me, I'm surrounded by people who appreciate my coaching ways

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I'm very interested in cross-referencing HD with astrology. Would you be willing to reveal your Pluto placements by sign, house, and aspects? I understand if you don't wish to.

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Some of the channels you mentioned are not colored all the way... I can still count them? I feel that right side of my chart is so blank! I want to know what's missing in my Human Design so I can improve myself!

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All the channels mentioned are colored in in red and are therefore "defined" channels. You also have 28-38, linking the splenic and root centers, and 30-41, linking the root center and solar plexus, and 43-23 linking the throat and third eye (I'm not sure this is the right name for this center in HD).

Here's a link SaturnFan posted earlier if you want to look up your defined channels:
http://humandesign.com/section-b

posted May 12, 2015 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Peony,

I tried editing my longer post above in order to add 2 links, but it kept crashing and I don't seem to be able to re-post it so will break it down into small pieces.

Definitely. Especially when you check which Gates are activated by someone in your chart, or which Gates in their chart you activate - it explains so much different behaviours and attitudes. For example if you are in the company of a person, who activates all of your centres and you theirs (so there are no open centres left if you apply your chart onto theirs - this happens when most 'hanging' gates connects to their counter-part in another person so they form active channels which connect all centres to each other), then you would find it very difficult to engage with anyone or anything else except them. I've seen this happen with 2 people, when we are in a group they would only talk to each other and it is a great effort for them to engage with the rest of us. They're not rude by any means, it's just how their energy plays out.

And here's an example with myself:

Gate 11 is the Gate of Ideas so whenever I am in contact with someone with an active Gate 56 (The Gate of Stimulation) this activates both our Throat Centres and Ajna Centres and we cannot stop talking about concepts, visions, ideas, and abstract topics.

So it's definitely a fascinating tool to explore synastry

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SaturnFan, thank you so much for your time in responding.

I sense HD is a gold mine for exploring and illuminating astrology synastry and visa-versa and look forward to doing this with you, Venus and everyone interested!

posted May 12, 2015 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I'm very interested in cross-referencing HD with astrology. Would you be willing to reveal your Pluto placements by sign, house, and aspects? I understand if you don't wish to.

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Oh that's no problem! I would love to hear what you interpret about me!

So here is my Pluto profile:

- 11th House
- Retrograde, 4SCO41'

Aspects are:
- trine Sun (3deg), Moon (4deg), and Mercury (3deg) [this is a stellium which I have in Pisces, 3rd House]
- square Jupiter in 2nd House (1deg)
- semisquare Uranus in 1st House (2deg) [Uranus also sits on my Asc]
- sextil Neptune in 1st House (1deg) [but this is generational]
- quincunx Chiron (1deg) [so actually there's a yod with Chiron on the apex, Neptune on the base]
- semisextil MC (2deg)

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Originally posted by peony:
All the channels mentioned are colored in in red and are therefore "defined" channels. You also have 28-38, linking the splenic and root centers, and 30-41, linking the root center and solar plexus, and 43-23 linking the throat and third eye (I'm not sure this is the right name for this center in HD).

Here's a link SaturnFan posted earlier if you want to look up your defined channels:
http://humandesign.com/section-b

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posted May 12, 2015 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SaturnFan, thank you so much for your time in responding.

I sense HD is a gold mine for exploring and illuminating astrology synastry and visa-versa and look forward to doing this with you, Venus and everyone interested!

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Oh wow!!! This definitely opens up another level of research into synastries!!! Amazing!!

posted May 12, 2015 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
To my fellow projectors here.. i am curious to see of any good examples in this whole 'wait for invitation' experiences?

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Hi Bluestskies88, here's an example. I've been trying to get another venue for a music workshop I gave at a local church last year. I've tried contacting the pastor of another church more than once and have received no response, trying to "make it happen," and getting nowhere. A woman who attended my last workshop offered to host the workshop at her home, but I have been so focused on the church that I haven't really considered her offer. She has since moved to another home in a beautiful location overlooking a valley with a panoramic view of her surroundings. She has reiterated her offer. I also just found out she has the technical equipment required and it looks like I will not need to hire a sound technician. There are other hurdles that will no longer exist doing it at her house. I'm now feeling that this is just the right venue for the workshop!

She's a Manifesting Generator and has Aquarius on her 4H cusp. She's had a vision for years of using her home as a sanctuary that people can come to for learning and healing. So, her interests coincide with mine.

posted May 12, 2015 07:48 PM              

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Venus, likewise. I'm certain it's no accident that we've both gravitated to this thread and are having this conversation. I think it's true for all of us here, but I'm not familiar with the others' charts. If I recall correctly, you're a Sun-Venus in Cancer. I'm a Moon-Venus in Cancer. You have Moon opposite Uranus, I have the conjunction. We're both Leo risings with Saturn in Virgo in the 2H.

This is a favorite quote about Saturn: "Saturn refines things to their absolute worth, and dispenses with false credentials" (Douglas Baker). I can appreciate Saturn in the abstract, but I'm benefiting from your insight, knowledge, and experience. Thank you!

I have Pluto in aspect to Saturn, an active 12H, and Saturn in the 2H aspecting a 1H Pluto, so it seems like I'm more attuned to Saturn's shadow and problematic sides.

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Hi Peony. How are you? What I am really wondering is how do you feel? After looking at just two concepts in HD, I am exhausted. I guess here is where I look at my emotional cycle, and wait...

posted May 12, 2015 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Hi Peony. How are you? What I am really wondering is how do you feel? After looking at just two concepts in HD, I am exhausted. I guess here is where I look at my emotional cycle, and wait...

But I'm here, fully engaged...just waiting.

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Perfect. You didn't get a weekend off! Take care of yourself.

I feel pulled in different directions with people engaging me about this or that. Also, busy with clients, so physically my energy is low.

At the same time, I've been feeling high every day for about a week! Being on this thread and thinking about HD and astrology is very energizing and exciting to me!

posted May 12, 2015 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Hi Bluestskies88, here's an example. I've been trying to get another venue for a music workshop I gave at a local church last year. I've tried contacting the pastor of another church more than once and have received no response, trying to "make it happen," and getting nowhere. A woman who attended my last workshop offered to host the workshop at her home, but I have been so focused on the church that I haven't really considered her offer. She has since moved to another home in a beautiful location overlooking a valley with a panoramic view of her surroundings. She has reiterated her offer. I also just found out she has the technical equipment required and it looks like I will not need to hire a sound technician. There are other hurdles that will no longer exist doing it at her house. I'm now feeling that this is just the right venue for the workshop!

She's a Manifesting Generator and has Aquarius on her 4H cusp. She's had a vision for years of using her home as a sanctuary that people can come to for learning and healing. So, her interests coincide with mine.

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Hey Peony!

That's wonderful! It's like beautiful synchronicity! .... Thank you for sharing your 'Wait for the invite' experiences!

I really really do love synchs! xx

posted May 13, 2015 04:22 AM            

midnightvenus

Having open centres is not bad at all, though it can be challenging if you are unaware of how they work. They carry the risk of over-identifying with other people's energy, and not living out of your authentic self. You seem very self-aware to me, especially in the way you describe how you are able to act differently with people in a conscious way in order to make them more comfortable. As long as you are aware and conscious of how you process other people's energy, then you are not at risk of losing yourself

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell
With this definition wouldn't the people interacting with the Projector actually be the projector(s)? And then shouldn't the Projector be called the Projection? And why is the Projector defined by what other people do?

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Excellent questions. And yes, we are called Projectors because we are 'projected upon'. But also, because we can 'cast light' on other people and see them in ways they can't even see themselves. I agree with you it's not the best term they could have come up with to describe us!
I particularly agree with your last sentence, especially since we are at constant risk of falling for false recognition or merge our identities with other people. We sense other people's energies on a deep level, and sometimes can ignore ourselves. Maybe this is why they came up with this name, though it's a lesson for all Projectors to be fully aware and comfortable with their identities in order to know with certainty when they are being recognised by other people and other people's 'projections' are actually true recognition.

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Originally posted by SDragon:
SaturnFan: What is your understanding or have you come across any resources that explains the gate lines in more details? So for instance, the chart planets will link to a gate with an associated line number. For instance my personality 1.6 (Uranus) and 2.6 (Mercury) mean I have both the creative and receptive gates on the 6th line.

Just wondering if the line number is an evolutionary number or almost like a line of least resistance? The difference between the two would be one where the individual is learning to utilize the line energy throughout life or it is automatically used as an aspect of their natural predisposition in a sense. I guess it could be construed as an either/or/and, just wondering if HD has a way to tell the difference.

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The lines are very important, and taking things one level deeper. Even if you have an identical chart with the same open/defined centres, channels and gates as someone else, the lines would be different and this would make the manifestation of your energy completely different and unique.

On this link there is a brief description of how each line manifests (each line is on a separate page):
http://humandesign.com/first-line-foundation

I have a brief description of each Gate in one of my books, and how each line influences it, so I'll be happy to check your key gates and how they manifest. Did I understand correctly that you have Gates 1 and 2 with a line 6? Let me know and I'll check them for you.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
We wouldn't be passive. We would still go about meeting our daily obligations. For example, many times when we drive our cars we are not focusing our complete energy on this (sometimes) mundane activity we perform every day. A part of our energy is engaged in something else. What is that something else? Usually if we do not think of it consciously, it is an unhelpful distraction, where we have involved ourselves in something and are focusing uninvited, or we are not focusing on anything at all. The abundance of excess energy we are not focusing on our everyday routine, should be focused on some kind of study, research, or discipline. People feel the intensity of this focused aura, and this is how the Projector is recognized and then invited.

This is from my personal experience, not from studying HD. HD has better words to describe it and much more to add I'm sure.

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This is an amazing description of how the Projector's energy works!!! All books and articles are still very theoretical, because the concept is relatively new, so personal experiences are always a better way to illustrate things!

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Originally posted by peony:
Hi Bluestskies88, here's an example. I've been trying to get another venue for a music workshop I gave at a local church last year. I've tried contacting the pastor of another church more than once and have received no response, trying to "make it happen," and getting nowhere. A woman who attended my last workshop offered to host the workshop at her home, but I have been so focused on the church that I haven't really considered her offer. She has since moved to another home in a beautiful location overlooking a valley with a panoramic view of her surroundings. She has reiterated her offer. I also just found out she has the technical equipment required and it looks like I will not need to hire a sound technician. There are other hurdles that will no longer exist doing it at her house. I'm now feeling that this is just the right venue for the workshop!

She's a Manifesting Generator and has Aquarius on her 4H cusp. She's had a vision for years of using her home as a sanctuary that people can come to for learning and healing. So, her interests coincide with mine.

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posted May 13, 2015 04:50 AM            

Peony was spot on about the significance of your exceptionally active connection between Sacral, Identity and Throat centres. In fact you combine 3 separate active Channels:

34-20 The Channel of Charisma
10-20 The Channel of Awakening
34-10 The Channel of Exploration

The first two (34-20 and 10-20) are part of the Integration Channel. This Channel is not part of any other 'groups' of channels (called Circuits), it is isolated and focused entirely on "fuelling the evolutionary process of humanity, person by person, and contains the full, active expression of the life force to form". (Quoted from the book on Human Design co-written by the founder). With 2 active channels here, you are here to express and celebrate your unique individuality. By being a unique individual, instead of merging with groups, you contribute to humanity overall. Your design and purpose is to be unique.

Both 34-20 and 10-20 carry their own specific energy, as you will have found out from the links, but if you need more information on them let me know.

Now moving onto 34-10. This channel alone with just 1 other channel (51-25) forms "The Centering Circuit", with a keynote of Empowerment. Here's how it's described in the book:

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The Centering Circuit is one of two small but important minor circuits in the Body Graph. Channel 34-10 transforms the way in which one lives in the world while the other side, Channel 51-25, transforms the way in which one takes advantage of the world we live in. The Centering Circuit is centered on the Identity Centre around the identity and direction of self. It is focused on empowering people to love themselves, and to follow their own unique path in life by living according to their Sacral's response. Simply by doing what is correct for them, they inspire and empower others to be themselves.

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Again happy to share more on the specific channel, the main theme however is that you are here to love yourself. This channel, when defined, is more dominant than all other defined channels, and can even influence people with more active 'community'-oriented channels to focus on their individuality.

Lastly, Channel 28-38 is part of the "Individual Circuit". This circuit is all about being left to your own thoughts and own things, which ultimately leads to unique ideas which benefit society. People with defined channels in this circuit tend to need 'alone time' in order to contemplate things. They are not meant to 'go with the flow' of society, but the opposite -they are meant to change it. Not in an aggressive way though, but by being themselves and being recognised.

posted May 13, 2015 05:04 AM            

http://humandesigncommunity.com/documents/HOW_WE_CONNECT_Transcript.pdf

I'd be happy to provide personal examples of HD synastry and astrological synastry unless you have examples in mind?

posted May 13, 2015 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
Thanks so much for re-posting the link!! I must have missed in the thread... I just looked up a few and wow.. Mind-opening! I will read for the all the ones I have

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YG, after taking a closer look at your chart, I see I made an error. Your defined channels do not include Gate 57. SaturnFan has listed your "defined channels" in a new post to you. I'm sorry for any confusion!

Back later when I have something further.

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
So here is my Pluto profile:

- 11th House
- Retrograde, 4SCO41'

Aspects are:
- trine Sun (3deg), Moon (4deg), and Mercury (3deg) [this is a stellium which I have in Pisces, 3rd House]
- square Jupiter in 2nd House (1deg)
- semisquare Uranus in 1st House (2deg) [Uranus also sits on my Asc]
- sextil Neptune in 1st House (1deg) [but this is generational]
- quincunx Chiron (1deg) [so actually there's a yod with Chiron on the apex, Neptune on the base]
- semisextil MC (2deg)

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Since I was a child, it was easy to see that I had authoritative and leadership qualities. My mom and I always bumped heads because of this. But I never abused these qualities in an arrogant way. I never really saw myself as a "leader" though. I don't like to be one. Instead, I think I am more like a "coach" to ppl around me. and thankfully for me, I'm surrounded by people who appreciate my coaching ways.

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YG, I link your leadership qualities in the astro chart to Uranus on the ASC. Your 1.4 profile indicates you're an introvert. As such, I can see why you don't identify with being a leader per se and probably wouldn't be comfortable in a role that requires a sustained outward orientation.

I've seen two kinds of manifestations of Pluto in the 11H. Pluto in this house tends to be an outsider. One who doesn't buy into the norms or conventions of society and/or doesn't feel a part of it. Or, that you are aware of pathologies in the collective and want to see changes in the social/cultural order (Pluto square Jupiter). Pluto in the 11H suggests that you relate more to an underground sub culture of some kind, people who may be subversive of the predominate culture they live or were brought up in.

Pluto in Scorpio is into the idea of shared resources and is conscious of the finite nature of the planet's resources and how they are being used and distributed.

You have a defined Identity center, so that suggests that you're not at risk of losing yourself within a collective identity. Also, with such a strong Uranus on the ASC, that's not likely anyway.

Now as far as the other manifestation of Pluto in the 11H that I've seen. This Pluto in the 11H person would share the same sense of being an outsider, but would strongly identify with a group of individuals, like a gang, where they can draw strength and power from a collective identity. The need is understandable but obviously this can present problems for a Pluto in the 11H person with an undefined Identity center.

Your Pluto is semi-square Uranus, so this suggests a strong, willful, rebellious and individualist spirit. I suspect having this aspect would make it difficult to accept the subordinate position of a child having to obey adults! I also think because the 1H is affected, this trait would be noticeable!

posted May 13, 2015 06:22 PM            

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The first two (34-20 and 10-20) are part of the Integration Channel. This Channel is not part of any other 'groups' of channels (called Circuits), it is isolated and focused entirely on "fuelling the evolutionary process of humanity, person by person, and contains the full, active expression of the life force to form". (Quoted from the book on Human Design co-written by the founder). With 2 active channels here, you are here to express and celebrate your unique individuality. By being a unique individual, instead of merging with groups, you contribute to humanity overall. Your design and purpose is to be unique.

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Thanks for your reply SaturnFan!
This whole thread has been very educational! There is just so much information to take in at the moment! Quite overwhelming actually because as I read through these posts and the websites, I feel like I've come to greater understanding of myself! Mind blown!
I knew I was different/unique since I was little. I always wondered why. My fav things to say about myself are that I am very free-spirited and that you’ll never meet a person like me! Lol But being unique is sometimes very tough, especially when I was younger. Even in a group setting, no matter how well I get along with everyone, my ideas and opinions are always bit different. At the end, these differences can cause frictions between me and the group. Recently, I lost a group of friends for this exact reason – I’m too different from the group. Our ideas were not merging or coming to an understanding. I just felt exhausted of trying to explain myself.

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Now moving onto 34-10. This channel alone with just 1 other channel (51-25) forms "The Centering Circuit", with a keynote of Empowerment. Here's how it's described in the book:
Again happy to share more on the specific channel, the main theme however is that you are here to love yourself. This channel, when defined, is more dominant than all other defined channels, and can even influence people with more active 'community'-oriented channels to focus on their individuality.

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Well my work involves dealing with a community with a focused individuality – people living with HIV. I do clinical research with this population so I can help them live better, longer, and healthier lives. Ultimately what I want is to control the epidemic and hopefully eradicate it from the face of the earth!!

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Lastly, Channel 28-38 is part of the "Individual Circuit". This circuit is all about being left to your own thoughts and own things, which ultimately leads to unique ideas which benefit society. People with defined channels in this circuit tend to need 'alone time' in order to contemplate things. They are not meant to 'go with the flow' of society, but the opposite -they are meant to change it. Not in an aggressive way though, but by being themselves and being recognised.

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The description on channel 28-38 is great! I think this is what drives me forward. One of the website you quoted said that ppl with this channel often feels that struggles are not really struggles. I certainly feel this way. My life hasn’t been easy, and filled with painful moments but to me these struggles are more like challenges, and I LOVE challenges!! The harder it is to overcome, the more I wanna conquer it!!! Muahaha! The part about being themselves and being recognized – it’s like you’ve taken words straight out of my mouth! I’ve always believed and preached that if I am doing great and do what I think is right and be the best I can be, ppl will recognize me for it. I don’t need to brag, and I have no interest in showing off whatsoever.

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you are an extremely powerful individual, with potential to radically change your community and environment to the better. You just need to march to your own beat, and you can conquer the world

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Well I’m currently in medical research, and my career path is headed toward international law and global human rights! Hopefully I will have unique ideas to benefit the entire world. Okay I’m dreaming too big here.. About being powerful, I feel too awkward to say that I am so I will never be convinced or admit that I am. Haha. I am not in a position to say I am either… Hehe

Amy Anne from here did reading of my natal a few months ago and she also said I was born in this life time with a definite purpose to fulfill. With a YOD with Chiron on the apex in 6H, I suppose my purpose is to be a healer in health/medicine...? It's interesting to see the correlation between what I do in real life, and what these systems say about me. Also, speaking of this correlation... I wonder if this is what it really means to be "intuitive" for me. I wanted to be in my current field and planned out my career path BEFORE I even knew about astrology or HD. Unconsciously I knew what path to follow. I knew this is what I want/need to do. I am not sensitive to energy or dreams like Faith so I have yet to find out what my intuitive ability is truly about… I guess time will tell.

I just wish I was more intuitive with boys tho. I'm not acing in my romance department LOLOL

posted May 14, 2015 12:22 AM            

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Broadly speaking, Projectors and Reflectors also have trans-personal karma, because we are at our best when we guide others (after being asked).

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SaturnFan, what does "trans-personal karma" mean exactly? Karmic obligations to the collective, as distinguished from personal or family ones?

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Amy Anne from here did reading of my natal a few months ago and she also said I was born in this life time with a definite purpose to fulfill. With a YOD with Chiron on the apex in 6H, I suppose my purpose is to be a healer in health/medicine...?

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Could be, once you synthesize the energies of the signs within the Yod. Then the energies of the base can be channeled to the apex and expressed in the arena of work and service. Maybe Ami told you this already.

posted May 14, 2015 01:40 AM            

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YellowGerbera,
The first two (34-20 and 10-20) are part of the Integration Channel. With 2 active channels here, you are here to express and celebrate your unique individuality. By being a unique individual, instead of merging with groups, you contribute to humanity overall. Your design and purpose is to be unique.

Lastly, Channel 28-38 is part of the "Individual Circuit". This circuit is all about being left to your own thoughts and own things, which ultimately leads to unique ideas which benefit society. People with defined channels in this circuit tend to need 'alone time' in order to contemplate things. They are not meant to 'go with the flow' of society, but the opposite -they are meant to change it. Not in an aggressive way though, but by being themselves and being recognised.

Both me and Faith have a defined 28-38 Channel and discussed it briefly on Page 4 of this thread in case you're interested, but the reason I'm highlighting it now is that in combination with the other 3 Channels we just covered, this re-iterates the point that you are an extremely powerful individual, with potential to radically change your community and environment to the better. You just need to march to your own beat, and you can conquer the world

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She's assisted greatly by Uranus on the ASC and Pluto in the 11H well aspected to her Sun-Moon-Mercury stellium. Also I think by a defined Identity center. Uranus and Pluto will not support being submerged in a group.

I feel it's important to emphasize the wise use of power with all the Pluto aspects. Also, great influence for good in the world is never a solo achievement. We are assisted by spiritual forces far above and beyond us.

posted May 14, 2015 03:35 AM            

Wow, I admire the field you've chosen, this is truly, truly inspiring. Taking on a big challenge, forging your own path, benefiting society - what a brilliant manifestation of both your HD and Astrological charts!

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SaturnFan, what does "trans-personal karma" mean exactly? Karmic obligations to the collective, as distinguished from personal or family ones?

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Hi Peony - yes, though not in the sense of being obliged to pay 'karmic debt' we 'owe' for past 'transgressions'. While Manifestors are here to initiate things, and Generators are here to provide the life force and keep the world spinning (the are 70% of humanity after all), Projectors and Reflectors are the 2 types who keep Manifestors and Generators 'in check'. Projectors can see specific, exquisite ways of doing things, of resolving problems, usually on an interpersonal level or in a smaller group. While Manifestors just get the ball rolling, and Generators want to do, do, do, they can get lost in incorrect endeavours. Projectors have the ability to direct the energy in the best way possible. Our aura is inquisitive on a person-by-person basis, if we are aware we can immediately 'get' the other on a deep level, and guide them. In this sense, we have a 'trans-personal' energetic make up.
Reflectors function the same way, but on a bigger scale (with bigger groups of people).
The best way I saw it explained was by using the percentage distribution:
Projectors are 20% of humanity = 1 Projector for 5 people (we're best in smaller groups)
Reflectors are 1% of humanity = 1 Reflector for 100 people

Also, I should mention the way our auras work.
Manifestors: they have a 'repelling' aura, clearing out the way for them, allowing them to walk their own path. If the Manifestor is not aware of their power and impact on others, this can present itself in literally repelling others. I've observed this a Manifestor I know, despite a very friendly atmosphere, people would sit away from him often, and he finds himself sitting at a comfortable distance from everyone (and not minding it either).

Generators: They have a magnetic aura, constantly pulling life in - people, events, offers, etc. Their aura pulls the Universe into presenting them constantly with things they can say "yes" or "no" to.

Projectors: Our aura absorbs information from our environment and 'stores' it (sometimes without us knowing), and when we are presented with a specific situation our aura focuses exactly on the 'pain point' and pulls precisely the type of information needed. We have a deeply penetrating aura (see illustration below, a big favourite of mine), so this is why we have to be invited to use it.

Reflectors: Their aura reflects their environment constantly, and samples key information to communicate back. By looking at a Reflector, you can get an immediate idea of what state their community is in.