posted May 17, 2015 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
My 1-8 and 2-14 form a strong channel connecting the Throat/Solar Plexus/Sacral centers which I would associate with my strong Pluto influences in my astrological charts.

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SDragon, I read the descriptions of these two channels and they do sound like Pluto.

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In regards to love relationships, since I already have 8 centers defined, would other people almost shy away from wanting to become involved because they intuitively sense how strongly defined my centers are?

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posted May 18, 2015 07:41 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
Hello

And thank you, thank you for the gate info. I had trouble working that out.

I'm very glad to hear that we are supposed to do what we enjoy as the last few years I've found I can't do things I don't enjoy. I was worrying a bit that actually feeling impelled to do what I enjoy was a fear of doing things I don't and therefore unhealthy. Although not completely relaxed about this, I have incorporated into my plans things which help me relax (after briefly reading up on my profile last year). So for instance, if I am pursuing a niche idea/interest, I've got diluted forms of this on the go that are more safe but still enjoy just so I can not feel guilt about the former & operate more passively

Just recalled that once was working in customer service and we also had to try sell things to (disgruntled already) customers. Since, I'm not a selling driven person I decided I'd be no good at this and why waste effort trying to be outgoing etc so I'd try and mention the product in as unforthcoming, disinterested, garbled manner as possible (as if I didn't want to sell the product perhaps because I wanted them all for myself!!! ) this actially got people asking me about it themselves so I didn't have to do that driven bit and I was convinced I discovered some unknown selling method. But perhaps it was that I was operating this projector strategy. Also, the things that I sell on eBay are weirdly the things with very little and poor descriptions - things I don't think will do well so am both relaxed about and putting out this obscured energy. Makes me think of the dark windows it described under my profile that people can't see into and how to use that.

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Thank you for sharing your experience, florence! Our strategy as Projectors is a difficult thing to articulate especially in our current "Just do it"-minded society and culture.

I remember reading that aggressive marketing doesn't work for Projectors, and a more laid-back, inviting approach is the winner. Thank you for confirming this.

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Originally posted by maira:
Hi, another projector here, very interesting thread

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posted May 18, 2015 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Wow, this chart is stunning!

I've just realized what makes HD so unique and powerful (or uniquely powerful lol) is the chakra/center component. I don't know of ANY OTHER SYSTEM, including ASTROLOGY !!!, that integrates our unique and individual spiritual anatomy into its system. This is a unique strength of HD, which I believe can provide further insights that can illuminate the astrology chart in more precise ways for the individual. That's what I've noticed at least at this preliminary stage when looking at Yellow Gerbera's Pluto in relation to the HD chart. Wow, my Ajna is on fire!

SaturnFan, I want to check the transits when HD was channeled (I'm not sure that's the right word) to the founder. I know the BIG CYCLE was Uranus-Neptune. During that world transit (1985-2000) a lot of material was being channeled from other dimensions. Collectively people were thirsty for spiritual revelation and knowledge.

Uranus equates with Prometheus, the Awakener in mythology, but the conjunction with Neptune indicates that the world at that time was permeated by the archetype of a spiritual Prometheus. Therefore, the impulse toward spiritual awakening is felt globally and the flood of material comes in to meet that need. Also, HD was revealed to the founder during this cycle.

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Hi Peony - this is an intriguing question!

According to a few sources, he received the HD concept over the course of 8 days in January 1987. He was born on April 6, 1948, in Montreal, Canada.

I ran 4 transit charts for him - for January 10, January 15, January 20 and January 25 and the main patterns I can see have an amazingly strong correlation with the Uranus-Neptune conjunction you mentioned.

trUranus and Neptune conjuncted his Vertex and Jupiter. He says he received this knowledge suddenly, out of the blue, which corresponds great with Uranus conjuncting his Vertex by 0 degrees during January.
Neptune was closer to his Jupiter - I see it as a powerful channel of higher spiritual knowledge.

His Jupiter and Vertex in Sag form a Grand Trine with his Sun and Moon in Aries, and his Saturn/ Pluto/ Mars in Leo.
Uranus activated his entire Grand Trine, as it was still in Sagittarius in 1987. Neptune was in early Capricorn, widely squaring his Sun.

Also, he has a natal Uranus-Jupiter opposition. So Neptune/ Uranus were opposing his natal Uranus as well.

Throughout January 1987, Mars was transitting in Aries (forming a trine with trUranus and Neptune) and towards the end of the month it conjuncted his Sun and Moon. So I imagine these 8 days occurred in the last part of January.

It definitely appears that he was a messenger on behalf of the powerful Neptune/ Uranus conjunction.

posted May 18, 2015 10:46 AM            

Curious, how do you handle society's expectations of DOING, DOING, DOING.. GO, GO, GO?! Make this much money, do action, do this, do that... blalbalbla OR else you will not fit in...

posted May 18, 2015 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Faith,

Your approach to this system is truly fascinating. I love how you are making a connection to astrological placements, especially the Nodal Axis!

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Thank you! My mind is currently "wired" to the Secret Language books, so this comparison was inevitable for me. I figure, the systems should dovetail if both are true.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
After I finish replying to this thread I'm going to research my Nodal Axis in a Human Design context.

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Let me know if you find anything?

Unfortunately the Secret Language website is disorganized, and one cannot simply pull up a reading for any nodal axis they are thinking of, which might hinder me as I continue looking at things.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
What you are describing in terms of Gates activation in specific days/times is the Sun activating these Gates in the Human Design Mandala (illustration below). In the span of 1 year, the Sun will activate each Gate.

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Thanks again! I was looking high and low for a completed mandala.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
The planets, and the Moon, work in the same way. So when you pull your HD chart you get 2 columns (red and black) with Gate numbers against a planet - this shows which Gate and which line was activated by the planet in your chart.

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Yes. I got that, but other people may appreciate the clarification. And this one as well:

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I should just mention 1 thing, as we haven't covered it so far on this thread.

The black column (and Gates coloured in black in the HD chart) represent "conscious personality' and show what was activated at the time of birth.

The red column (and Gates coloured in red in the HD chart) represent the 'unconscious' or 'design', and show what was activated at the time the soul entered the body.
According to Human Design this happens approximately 3 months before birth - the date is usually listed in the HD chart near the red column or against an entry 'Design Date".

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posted May 18, 2015 11:02 AM            

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Head Center:
64- September 4-9
61- January 12-16
63- March 3-7

Ajna:
47- September 10-14
24- April 28-May 3
4- August 11-16
17- March 24-29
11- December 15-19
43- November 12-16

Throat Center:
62- July 13-18
23- May 9-14
56- July 19-24
16- May 27-June 1
35- June 2-7
20- May 21-26
12- June 14-18
31- July 25-30
8- May 15-19
33- July 31-August 5
45- June 8-13

G Center:
1- November 6-11
7- August 6-10
13- February 3-7
10- December 20-25
15- June 19-24
2- May 4-8
46- September 21-26
25- March 19-23

Heart Center:
21- March 30-April 4
51- April 5-10
26- December 9-14
40- August 29-September 3

Splenic Center:
48- October 3-7
57- October 8-13
44- October 31-November 5
50- October 20-24
32- October 14-19
28- October 25-30
18- September 27-October 2

Sacral Center:
5- December 4-8
14- November 17-22
29- August 17-22
34- November 23-27
27- April 22-27
59- August 23-28
42- April 11-16
3- April 17-21
9- November 28-December 3

Solar Plexus:
36- March 14-18
22- March 8-13
37- February 25-March 2
6- September 15-20
49- February 8-13
55- February 20-24
30- February 14-19

Root Center:
53- July 7-12
60- January 17-22
52- June 25-30
54- January 6-11
19- January 28-February 2
38- January 1-5
39- July 1-6
58- December 26-31
41- January 23-27

I wanted to include a brief description of the parts of the body and personality associated with each Center, but unfortunately I'm finding conflicting information on the internet. Some Centers' relative body parts/functions have more unanimous agreement amongst teachers than others.

Notes:

* The Splenic Center's concentration on Libra/Scorpio stands out...how intriguing.

* The Solar Plexus' gates have been heavily activated by the procession of the outer planets (Neptune, Uranus, Chiron) through those signs in in the past decade, which may explain the prediction of an overall increase in Emotional Authority in the general population.

However, astronomical fact doesn't support a sustained, long-term shift to Emotional Authority emerging from the outer planets' activation of gates, as they are of course in continual motion. It could be determined by human behavior, however, if we were somehow more inclined to give birth in February/March or when the personal planets were in late Aquarius/Pisces.

Perhaps all of today's Emotionally Authoritative children will just know it's in humanity's best interest to breed more Aqua/Pisces? And to conceive in July, the moon's month? Or is my mind going all sci-fi again? Hmmm

posted May 18, 2015 03:22 PM            

This is what it says:

MOON SQUARE MERCURY
This aspect indicates impatience, an excessively critical attitude on the part of the Mercurian subject. The lunar subject may feel so insecure, confused and misunderstood as to verge on neurosis.

This square energy is very true with our dynamics, which is striking me very much at the moment how true it is. However, the odd thing is it's HIS Moon squaring MY Mercury. So my question is, why was I feeling his lunar emotions of insecurity, confusion, etc?? Does it have something to do with me being a Projector?

I also found this about the moon sq mercury placements from a previous post on here:

If your romantic partner’s Moon is square your Mercury, you will have a difficult time getting your romantic partner to listen receptively and are very likely to feel that he/she does not value your opinions or respect your intellectual capacity. The reality is that what you are saying or the way you are expressing it does not satisfy your partner’s present emotional needs.

Looking back, I became critical because of the frustrations of how he wasn't open to listen to what i was communicating. Now I know why, because of this awful square in our charts ...

posted May 18, 2015 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
To All my lovely Projectors,

Curious, how do you handle society's expectations of DOING, DOING, DOING.. GO, GO, GO?! Make this much money, do action, do this, do that... blalbalbla OR else you will not fit in...

Thanks

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I lived like this for a few years and then I was hit by a horrible burnout, which I'm still recovering from. If I had gone on for a few more years, I'm convinced I would have had life-long health issues as a result.

I used to do 15-hour workdays, 7 days a week, not because anyone forced me, but because I felt compelled to keep things running. Classic workaholic.

Now I learned to delegate, say 'no' to things I don't need to do, never ever work overtime, spend quality time with myself, with family and friends, and respect my need for rest. In a nutshell, I set clear boundaries for myself, and I put as much importance on health, wellbeing, and personal passions as I do on my work. Interestingly, ever since I made a conscious decision to take a step back from my job and focus on me, the workload which used to flow my way just started decreasing naturally. It's all about what we create for ourselves

posted May 18, 2015 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Notes:

* The Splenic Center's concentration on Libra/Scorpio stands out...how intriguing.

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The Splenic Centre's all about intuition. Very Scorpio!

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Originally posted by Faith:

* The Solar Plexus' gates have been heavily activated by the procession of the outer planets (Neptune, Uranus, Chiron) through those signs in in the past decade, which may explain the prediction of an overall increase in Emotional Authority in the general population.

However, astronomical fact doesn't support a sustained, long-term shift to Emotional Authority emerging from the outer planets' activation of gates, as they are of course in continual motion. It could be determined by human behavior, however, if we were somehow more inclined to give birth in February/March or when the personal planets were in late Aquarius/Pisces.

Perhaps all of today's Emotionally Authoritative children will just know it's in humanity's best interest to breed more Aqua/Pisces? And to conceive in July, the moon's month? Or is my mind going all sci-fi again? Hmmm

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Brilliant analysis, and great catch about Neptune, Uranus and Chiron's role.

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Originally posted by Faith:

* The Root Center's fusion of Cap/Cancer energies is a fitting representation of the concept of home, as established by Cancer (IC, moon, mother figure) and Capricorn (MC, Saturn, father figure.) I just wonder why Aquarius is there...as I wonder about the placement of many of these dates/gates.

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This sounds like the first place to look in relation to Peony's question about cardinal placements. The Root Centre is about pressure to do things, it supplies adrenalin and urges you to move forward. I can definitely relate, as my Cap Sun is activating Gate 58 in the Root Centre.

posted May 18, 2015 04:32 PM            

Yes, I went through the same thing. I overworked myself + all of the personal stressors I was going through, it also brought me to the point of burning out! Still healing from it too.

posted May 18, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Let me know if you find anything?

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I have a Pisces NN in 1H, and Virgo SN in 7H.

In my Human Design Chart:
NN at gate 36 (Solar Plexus)
SN at gate 6 (Solar Plexus)

Gate 6 is the Gate of Conflict, and with an active Gate 59 forms The Channel of Mating. Talk about 7H themes. Gate 6 causes friction in others, forcing out unresolved or latent emotions which need to be resolved before moving forward. I can definitely see the Virgo energy in this one.

posted May 18, 2015 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Hello SaturnFan,

Yes, I went through the same thing. I overworked myself to the point of burning out! Still healing from too.

What I was trying to say was -- the constant do mentality from society is everywhere. Heck, it's even engraved within our programming to GO get that money, GO become something etc. So, now we are becoming aware that we as projectors are NOT designed to DO, GO. I guess yes, to shift from this Do programming, we can disconnect from the hussle and bussle of everyday life? Spend time with friends and family, spend time with yourself. I love doing this! This is when I am more myself and at a serene peace, with a clear head.

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Absolutely. Regardless of any current/ future jobs, it's important to always find quality time outside of work and revitalise yourself without feeling guilty.

Are you doing any yoga or meditation? I started recently and they're doing wonders for me.

posted May 18, 2015 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
I was thinking of asking this question on here. Was looking at the synastry chart of a past relationship, and something striked me regarding our Moon square Mercury.

This is what it says:

MOON SQUARE MERCURY
This aspect indicates impatience, an excessively critical attitude on the part of the [b] Mercurian subject. The lunar subject may feel so insecure, confused and misunderstood as to verge on neurosis.

This square energy is very true with our dynamics, which is striking me very much at the moment how true it is. However, the odd thing is it's HIS Moon squaring MY Mercury. So my question is, why was I feeling his lunar emotions of insecurity, confusion, etc?? Does it have something to do with me being a Projector?

I also found this about the moon sq mercury placements from a previous post on here:

If your romantic partner’s Moon is square your Mercury, you will have a difficult time getting your romantic partner to listen receptively and are very likely to feel that he/she does not value your opinions or respect your intellectual capacity. The reality is that what you are saying or the way you are expressing it does not satisfy your partner’s present emotional needs.

Looking back, I became critical because of the frustrations of how he wasn't open to listen to what i was communicating. Now I know why, because of this awful square on our charts ...

Here's our HD charts again:

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You were sensing his emotions through your open Solar Plexus. His Moon activates:
Gate 6 in his Solar Plexus
Gate 14 in his Sacral
Both of these centres are connected through channel 6-59.

Your Mercury activates Gate 55 which is open in his chart, and is in the Solar Plexus. Actually, I think this might be it. Your Mercury hit an open Gate in his Solar Plexus (which has only 1 defined Gate, by the Moon), and your own open Solar Plexus will have picked up on the energy this had created.

posted May 18, 2015 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Absolutely. Regardless of any current/ future jobs, it's important to always find quality time outside of work and revitalise yourself without feeling guilty.

Are you doing any yoga or meditation? I started recently and they're doing wonders for me.

Just do whatever brings you joy. Our conditioning is that 'play time' should be earned by working hard first. It's the exact opposite - 'play time', or 'time off' is vitally important in order for you to function at your full potential once you do engage in your work. For me the difficult thing has been letting go of feelings of guilt when I take it easy, but hey, at least I'm taking it easy

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Your perspectives truly matches with my own SaturnFan. I am glad I have found someone who understands my 'different point of view' of life.

I meditate, used to do yoga, but putting it off for now. I love to go biking, sitting in nature and all that stuff. I love aloneness and doing stuff on my own for a long time!! Thanks so much for your wonderful insights, you are a blessing!!

posted May 18, 2015 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:

You were sensing his emotions through your open Solar Plexus. His Moon activates:
Gate 6 in his Solar Plexus
Gate 14 in his Sacral
Both of these centres are connected through channel 6-59.

Your Mercury activates Gate 55 which is open in his chart, and is in the Solar Plexus. Actually, I think this might be it. Your Mercury hit an open Gate in his Solar Plexus (which has only 1 defined Gate, by the Moon), and your own open Solar Plexus will have picked up on the energy this had created.

We'll need to look more into Gates 55 and 6 I believe, in order to get a better understanding.

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WOW! yeah, looking back, I remember when I was 'losing it' and overwhelmed with all the intense emotions.. I remembered saying to myself 'This is not me!" and i felt intuitively that I was picking up on him!!! (sensing him btw was a constant experience for me) Was sensing him even way after we broke off the connection.. Thankfully, it's gone now because I must have blocked it somewhere lol

And low and behold.. the ANSWERS are coming up like a flood gate, few years later!! What a blessing!! THANK YOU!!! .. had to truly understand what happened to move forward completley!!

posted May 18, 2015 06:10 PM            

Saw this about Gate 55. Something really hit the nail here. I have it in bold. This was the issue with him! He was not able to make a decision whether or not to commit in the relationship! He was always On and off with his emotions. One moment it's a yes, the next is I am not sure. (Moon - confusion, insecurities etc) In turn left me impatient, and then critical (Mercury - conflict, impatience) due to frustrations and my own childhood issues of feeling unloved.

Am I interpreting this correctly?

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The Channel of Moodiness - 39-55, links the Root Center through the 39, the Gate of Obstruction, to the 55, the Gate of the Abundance in the Emotional Center. The 39 -55 is the channel that connects directly into Spirit in the Emotional Center; in the wave. Here the wave is abrupt in form; spiking up or down through extremes of mood. This Individual channel of moodiness is also part of a stream that includes a concern with and a focus on romance, love and passion. The Individual Circuit is a deeply moody, or melancholic circuit, and this channel is the height of that.

People with this channel are very concerned with uncertainty because emotional individuality is all about uncertainty. "She loves me, she loves me not. I don't know." It’s easy to see the up-down wave of she loves me or she loves me not, but notice the final state – “I don’t know”. At that point the mutative aspect of the individual is about to take over and they transform out of that uncertainty. The whole Individual Circuit can be deeply uncertain because you don't know until the mutation comes.

When mutation comes they can be very certain: I KNOW. Everything is fine now “she loves me, I’m certain of it.” Here is the crux of the moodiness, because just when they’re certain, the mutation kicks in again and then they’re not sure that were really certain at all. This can have a disturbing effect on others because when you are empowering somebody else, you can make them very uncomfortable. The experience of this continuous swing from certain to uncertain and back is really normal for those who have this channel - but it is a very difficult mutation to experience if you don't have that channel but are having it empowered in you.

These mood swings are healthy for the 39-55 provided they are acknowledged, and watched. A big challenge for people with this channel is to remember there is no “reason” for the mood. The mood is simply a dynamic. Whatever the mood is it will change – that’s the nature of the channel. And above all NEVER confuse it with depression. The whole Individual circuit is melancholic, but it is the sadness of poetry or music. Anyone with individual circuitry needs to learn to use these moody times to be creative, to let the MUSE flow through them.

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Gate 59/6. This is what I found which again is serving to be on point!

A person with this channel gives and gets support through being intimate. The image of a mother and father hugging each other and staring at her pregnant belly is the energy of this channel: two people giving each other support through intimacy.

Since this is highlighted in red, which is unconscious, this presents why he had problems fully committing to the relationship right?

posted May 18, 2015 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
This is my astrological chart - you mentioned earlier in this thread your NN was at 29 Pisces. Mine is at 26, so they conjunct not only by sign, but in a 2.5 degree orb. I think this alone explains our fascination with and discussions about all these concepts (=Virgo SN) about the human soul, psyche and spiritual experience (=Pisces NN)

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Hi SaturnFan,

This will probably not come as a surprise that there are a number of connections in our charts. First of all, your ASC10Aqua-DESC10Leo axis is the reverse of mine and my ASC13Leo-DESC13 Aqua are close in degrees as well. My ASC-Sun-Pluto is conjunct the sensitive point opposite your Aqua Venus, turning your fixed t-square into a fixed GRAND CROSS in synastry. T-squares have been compared to a three-legged stool, so combined our planets represent strength, stability, and perhaps sustained focus. I believe you’ve described the impact of my Sun-Pluto drawing attention to your own Pluto. As this is a mutual activation, maybe like three gates creating three active channels, your t-square is amplifying my Leo planets and ASC. But it also feels like I’m more aware of the energies of the signs in the fixed cross as a group. For example, I also feel like I’m benefiting from your Taurus energy with your teaching style of illustrating HD concepts with concrete examples. I also feel like I’m tapping into Aquarian energy as well, for example, the recent interest in groups having stelliums in their charts. I also have Mars in Scorpio, but it's not in aspect to the t-square. I think this kind of synastry could be problematic, creating ego conflicts. But you are older than your years and I’m older and have had really good teachers, so I don’t think the GC is a problem.

As I thought, we have a mutual activation with my Uranus opposing your Sun-Neptune-Mercury stellium and your Uranus trine my Sun-Pluto. You have a natal Jupiter-Uranus trine. I also have this aspect but in water signs. My Sun-Pluto makes your trine into a GRAND TRINE in fire signs! We also have a Jupiter-Pluto trine DW. Jupiter-Pluto is often seen in people involved in the human potential movement. This aspect also ties in with our mutual interests shown by our Nodes.

One of the most significant insights of the Magi system of astrology is in grasping the importance of geometry in synastry. We have both a Grand Cross in fixed signs and a Fire Grand Trine. We also have an exact Moon sextile Moon and an exact Mars trine my Venus. No wonder we have such an inspiring friendship!

posted May 18, 2015 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hi Peony - this is an intriguing question!

According to a few sources, he received the HD concept over the course of 8 days in January 1987. He was born on April 6, 1948, in Montreal, Canada.

I ran 4 transit charts for him - for January 10, January 15, January 20 and January 25 and the main patterns I can see have an amazingly strong correlation with the Uranus-Neptune conjunction you mentioned.

trUranus and Neptune conjuncted his Vertex and Jupiter. He says he received this knowledge suddenly, out of the blue, which corresponds great with Uranus conjuncting his Vertex by 0 degrees during January.
Neptune was closer to his Jupiter - I see it as a powerful channel of higher spiritual knowledge.

His Jupiter and Vertex in Sag form a Grand Trine with his Sun and Moon in Aries, and his Saturn/ Pluto/ Mars in Leo.
Uranus activated his entire Grand Trine, as it was still in Sagittarius in 1987. Neptune was in early Capricorn, widely squaring his Sun.

Also, he has a natal Uranus-Jupiter opposition. So Neptune/ Uranus were opposing his natal Uranus as well.

Throughout January 1987, Mars was transitting in Aries (forming a trine with trUranus and Neptune) and towards the end of the month it conjuncted his Sun and Moon. So I imagine these 8 days occurred in the last part of January.

It definitely appears that he was a messenger on behalf of the powerful Neptune/ Uranus conjunction.

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SaturnFan, thanks for doing the research and analysis! Wow, tUranus lighting up his fire grand trine. He himself was a Promethean figure with his natal Jupiter-Uranus opposition. The opposition of tUranus to nUranus has a full Moon effect heightening the effects of Uranus.

posted May 18, 2015 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
To All my lovely Projectors,

Curious, how do you handle society's expectations of DOING, DOING, DOING.. GO, GO, GO?! Make this much money, do action, do this, do that... blalbalbla OR else you will not fit in...

Thanks

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Hey, Blue - I never bought into it! I've always been an outsider and with Venus in the 12H, I have different values. I think the answer for me is to know myself really well and being willing to stand alone. Study, for me it was metaphysics, was a big help. Being focused on the BIG PICTURE, like the metaphysical structures of the universe, and the nature of the soul.

posted May 19, 2015 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Faith, your input is invaluable. Thank you!
I've been meaning to do a mapping of Cardinal placements in HD, since a question around this emerged in a conversation with Peony earlier in the thread. You have taken this to a whole new level however - it's fascinating to see how astrological energy is distributed in the HD centres!

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Thanks again and my apologies for intruding on the conversation. I mean, going off an a tangent.

I'm intrigued about this discussion of cardinal placements that you allude to, so I'll have to review the thread again.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
The Root Centre is about pressure to do things, it supplies adrenalin and urges you to move forward. I can definitely relate, as my Cap Sun is activating Gate 58 in the Root Centre.

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That makes sense. Well it's interesting because the Root Center is filled with Cancer, Capricorn, and Aquarius gates...where emotions (moon) meet structuring/discipline (Saturn) and inspiration (Uranus). Definitely a recipe for self-propulsion!

I'm intrigued with the HD concept of pressure ~ looking forward to learning more eventually.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
In my Human Design Chart:
NN at gate 36 (Solar Plexus)
SN at gate 6 (Solar Plexus)

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Oh! So in my case, my nodal axis gave me a defined channel, but in your case, you get a solar plexus with extra antennae.

I'm glad you found it worthwhile to explore along these lines.

You have such a nice birth chart, btw. I love the 11H stellium and Venus on the ASC. Like peony, my ASC is around 10 Leo, and venus2tinkerbell's is around there, too. It's like you are a Leo ASC magnet.

posted May 19, 2015 08:13 AM            

Anyway....

So I'm trying to figure out the special relationship between the two gates at either end of a channel, and it's purely speculative and maybe futile. For the most part I'm looking at the synastry between the two gates, but that could be wrongheaded, as the channel readings could be based on any number of things, including midpoints or special knowledge that only the aliens are privvy to. Still, I know that synastry is a factor here, as two people may form a defined channel together through their respective hanging gates. And I'm very curious, so I'm exploring the synastry like it's a treasure hunt. Where there is an opposition, I'll look at the nodal axis as well, for a better sense of the interplay between two energies.

The value of the Secret Language system is, it gives synastry readings for all aspects and non-aspects, unlike other sources that are limited to aspects alone, and usually just the major aspects.

Sometimes the name of each gate matches its corresponding Secret Language (I'll just call it SL) week uncannily well. And I've got some other findings.

Bold always mine

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Head-Ajna Channels

1) 64-47
Gate 64, The Gate of Confusion, corresponds to September 4-9, Virgo II, Week of the Enigma
Gate 47, The Gate of Realization, corresponds to September 10-14, Virgo III, Week of the Literalist

Channel of Abstraction (Abstract/Sensing Circuit Group)

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Basically this channel is trying to make sense out of the past. The abstract is based upon experience, so the 64-47 is always sifting through past experiences. It’s sifting through a kaleidoscope of images looking for the one that makes sense, the one to which it says “Aha! That’s it. I see the story.”

Great advice to give someone with this channel: Confusion marks the beginning of an experience for them and if they are patient enough with their process they will come out with a valuable story to share. (47 is the gate of Realization, 64 Confusion). It is important that they share what they think, since the collective is nothing without sharing.

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SL synastry between Virgo II and Virgo III:

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In marriages and at work, the burden usually falls on Week of the Literalist people to bring the more isolating and fantasy-oriented qualities of the relationship into line; by insisting on more social and commercial involvement with the world, they guarantee at least a modicum of healthy interaction with other people.

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Comment: So in both HD and SL, it's the later September energy (Gate 47, Virgo III) that draws the earlier Virgo energy out of its shell and makes the whole unit sociable (ie, brings it into the "Collective Circuit.") The two gates form a conjunction, and their relationship seems to be about the natural progression from the early degrees to the later, where the later degrees manifest and substantiate what was conceptualized earlier.

2) 61-24:
Gate 61, The Gate of Inner Truth and Mystery, corresponds to January 12-16, Capricorn III, The Week of Dominance
Gate 24, The Gate of Returning, corresponds to April 28-May 3, Taurus I, The Week of Manifestation

Channel of Awareness/The Thinker (Individual/Knowing Circuit Group):

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The Channel of the Thinker - 61-24, links the Head Center through the 61, the Gate of Inner Truth and Mystery, to the 24, the Gate of Returning in the Ajna Center. People with this channel tend to think that sooner or later, if they think about something enough, they will find the truth of it.

They might find some truth, but they might just as easily find only whatever satisfies them. Or they might go crazy returning over and over to the same unsolvable mystery (24 - Gate of Returning). And even if they do solve the mystery they may not be able to share it with others. This is part of the Individual circuitry after all, so any truth found doesn’t have to be logical or satisfy the collective.

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SL synastry between Taurus I and Capricorn III:

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Few individuals are as dominant as either of these two. One would not expect them even to form a friendship, then, let alone the most intimate of relationships. Yet the possibility exists in this combination for a true bond of the spirit, one that will set this relationship quite apart from others. These two can feel completely alone together in the middle of a crowded room. Perhaps some of the basis for their intimacy lies in the fact that these personalities, both highly ambitious, must actually understand each other quite well.

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Comment: So in both the HD and SL readings, there is an emphasis on self-sufficiency.
The gates are trine by sign, and the channel is characterized by the easygoing nature of the trine, amongst other things.

3) 63-4:
Gate 63, The Gate of Doubt, corresponds to March 3-7, Pisces II, The Week of the Loner
Gate 4, The Gate of Formulization, corresponds to August 11-16, Leo III, The Week of Leadership

Channel of Logic (Collective, Logic/Understanding Circuit Group):

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People with this channel tend to be pretty busy mentally. “Is it going to rain next week? Well, based on typical patterns for this time of year, the current barometric pressure and cloud cover there is a strong possibility….”

You see, what the channel is doing is posing some question, looking for recognizable patterns, factoring in current data, and making a prediction as to the future. And of course if anyone else happens to be around it can’t help but share the question and the answer – whether that other person cares if it’s going to rain. The thing about logic is that it can be perfectly impeccable and still be wrong!

This is, by the way, a rather pleasant magnetic connection between people. Anyone with the Gate 63 wants to share their doubts and anyone with Gate 4 really enjoys sharing their solutions. It works best when they both understand that it is the sharing that provides the satisfaction. The 63 can’t expect the solutions from the 4 to necessarily be useful, nor can the 4 expect only ‘good’ questions from the 63.

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SL synastry between Pisces II and Leo III:

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The problem for Week of the Loner folks is that those born during the Week of Leadership can give a great deal of intensity to a love affair without being really involved at a deep emotional level. The extreme independence of thought and action that is the byproduct of this matchup may make marriage difficult or impossible.

Friends and siblings in this combination are likely to relate very well, especially if they don’t have to see each other that often. They may depend on each other quite heavily for advice in times of stress. Here the relationship stresses mutual support and represents a font of understanding for its partners.

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Comment: The readings don't meld too strongly here, but I think both HD and SL reflect the unique relationship forged by Pisces/Leo, where their mental strengths coalesce and offer each other a kind of fusion of the spiritual and the wordly...ideally culminating in logic.

posted May 19, 2015 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hey SDragon,

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Thanks so much SaturnFan, I didn't really expect such a lengthy reply but appreciate it a lot