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posted May 05, 2015 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After a conversation on this topic developed in another thread ( Toxic People In Our Lives ), I'm opening a separate thread since it would be interesting to discuss how accurate this system is.

Human Design claims to be combining a few areas - Astrology, I'Ching, Kabbalah and the Chakra system,- into 1 system which shows us our energetic make up, what we emit to the external environment and what we take in.

According to Human Design we have 9 energetic centres and depending on which of them are defined (= emitting our own uninterrupted energy) and undefined (=taking in the energy of our environment) we are broadly grouped in 4 Energetic types:

* Generator - people who have constant access to energy and can work for hours and hours without exhaustion, feeling fulfilled mainly by keeping busy.
* Manifestors - people who have the power to "initiate", most common example is dictators (Hitler, Putin, Stalin = all are maniferstors), but it's a good energetic make up for entrepreneurs, sales people, any type of work which requires you to go out into the world and make things happen.
* Projectors - people who do not have consistent access to energy, often introverted, and are best suited for the roles of guides as they are deeply sensitive to their environment and people they interact with. They need to be recognised and invited, instead of initiating things.
* Reflectors - people who have all energy centres undefined and are a reflection of their community/ society. That's about 1% of the world population.

This very, very broad grouping can become more relevant once you check your Human Design chart and which specific energy centres are defined/ undefined.

I researched it for a full year before swinging back to astrology, and can attest that this has been unbelievably accurate for myself, my family members and my close friends - so there is something to it. Since the members of this forum have an above average knowledge and interest in concepts of this kind, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on this, or how you resonate with your Human Design charts (which you can check here: Human Design Chart )

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Apparently I am a manifestor. Not sure I see myself this way. but who knows if I see myself the right way anyway?

BTW is anyones inner authority emotional - solar plexus?


hmm reading a bit on manifestor, it does not fit my experiences.

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posted May 05, 2015 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
The open centres are where we receive information from the external environment, so when someone comes to you with an issue or question, you would be able to 'detect' their situation and the specific way to 'fix' it through your open centres, on an intuitive level. This is why open centres are very important and are called 'areas of growth' in Human Design.

Nice! Pretty excited talking and getting to know more insight regarding Human Design. I have copy and pasted what you said from the other thread. I wanted to see the dynamic of what you said above. I understand that whatever undefined centers I have, they are the ones that needs healing. So basically, I would attract another person in my life, who has the opposite of this? Meaning, if i have an open solar plexus, i would attract another person who has a defined solar plexus in order to learn/grow and heal? OR perhaps, it's the opposite of this? Does this mean since i have my solar plexus, sacral and root opened, they are healed and or healthy? I am a bit unclear on this...

Here is my chart:



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posted May 05, 2015 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Apparently I am a manifestor. Not sure I see myself this way. but who knows if I see myself the right way anyway?

BTW is anyones inner authority emotional - solar plexus?


hmm reading a bit on manifestor, it does not fit my experiences.


I love manifestors!

One of my best friends is one, and she used to organise the best parties, trips and holidays imaginable, it came very natural to her - so here's one way to utilise this potential, apart from becoming a dictator

My brother is a Manifestor with Emotional Authority - he needs to consider very carefully all sides of an issue before taking a decision. Once he decides and goes for it, the whole Universe conspires to help him.

Emotional Authority would lead you to checking all 15-20 hotels in your holiday destination, their prices, proximity to transport, online reviews/rating etc. before deciding on the best choice. Making a decision is an art in itself for people with emotional authority, and according to Human Design it's the most sophisticated energetic make up for decision making.

EDIT: Just saw your last sentence - so do you find things happen more easily for you when someone else initiates, rather than when you initiate? From what I've read, Manifestors with Emotional Authority can work miracles, but first they need to have achieved emotional clarity on what action to take. While they are confused/ undecided things wouldn't work out even when they are 'initiating'. This is definitely the case with my brother at least

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posted May 05, 2015 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
I understand that whatever undefined centers I have, they are the ones that needs healing.

Not healing, but de-conditioning.
For the Solar Plexus, de-conditioning means recognising your own emotions and other people's emotions and knowing which ones to identify with. It's a slow process, speaking from experience
For the Root centre, which is also open in your case, de-conditioning means learning to recognise what pushes you to take action. If you are next to a person with a defined Root Centre, you'll feel constant pressure to complete errands or unfinished work, and you'll find it hard to relax without even realising why.

Once you learn what to identify with, you'll be able to accurately detect the energy of the person next to you - which brings awareness to a whole new level.

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So basically, I would attract another person in my life, who has the opposite of this? Meaning, if i have an open solar plexus, i would attract another person who has a defined solar plexus in order to learn/grow and heal?

Broadly speaking yes, though according to Human Design who we attract depends more on the Gates (the small numbers in the chart) than the centres themselves. We attract people who can complete 'hanging gates' into a channel, in this way connecting and activating 2 centres.

For example, check gates 5, 14 and 29 at the top of your Sacral Centre. You will attract people with active Gate 2, or 15 or 46 (or all) in their Identity centre, which will in turn activate your Sacral Centre, making you feel very full of energy in their company. If their own Identity Centre is undefined, while they're around you they'll have a better sense of identity and direction. Anyone with active Gates 2. 15, 46 in your life would form a very inspiring relationship with you.

But generally speaking, yes - your open/undefined centres and gates attract people with corresponding defined centres and gates, and vice versa. You will also attract/ be attracted to people with undefined Head and Ajna centres. Your energy will inspire them unconsciously to new ideas/ thoughts and when they amplify them back to you, you will in turn find this inspiring, and it will trigger you to new thoughts/ ideas of your own.

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posted May 05, 2015 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bluestskies88,

Check out these links for the 2 defined channels in your chart (where you have 2 active gates connecting)

Channel 44-26

Channel 64-47 <- This in particular is very relevant to the phase of soul work you mentioned you have been going through

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posted May 05, 2015 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a generator!!! lol

Very interesting what you brought here Saturn!! lol thank you!

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Yeah, this de-conditioning with my last three chakras has been an ongoing Self work i am going through for awhile. When you mentioned the Human Design the other day, it just validated things even more deeper! Have you got your HD reading? I am thinking of getting one...

I am aware of the old programming energetic patterns that i have to fully let go! Also, the reactions with other people -- meaning having the awareness which is my energy and which energy is a projection/not mine. In my perspective, projections are unconscious shadows that people project onto another because they are not aware of it... how does this connect with the human design concept? Do we as 'Projectors' do this?

I feel I am getting better with my reactions with other people, I am still working on my reactions with my parents though! This is a very hard one in regards to taking in THEIR energies and issues they project onto me! But I am aware now at least.. thank goodness! And you are right, it is a very slow process! We will get there one day!

Thanks again SaturnFan! Much love to you! <3

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posted May 05, 2015 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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bluestskies88,

Check out these links for the 2 defined channels in your chart (where you have 2 active gates connecting)

Channel 44-26

Channel 64-47 <- This in particular is very relevant to the phase of soul work you mentioned you have been going through


Cool beans! I will have a read.. Thank You!

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posted May 05, 2015 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi SaturnFan,

I looked around on the website, but what do I need to read the chart?

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posted May 05, 2015 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DaniPepper87,

Do you resonate with the description of Generators?
Generators have unlimited access to energy, they 'keep the world spinning' and even when they rest it needs to be active rest (for example, reading, keeping busy with a hobby, etc.) My mother is a Generator and she laughed with tears once when a friend told her that she had spent a full hour with her husband on a holiday watching the sunrise. She just can't understand how someone could stand still for an hour and just stare into the horizon

bluestskies88,

It's brilliant that you are already going through a reconditioning process, and recognising the energy around you. I feel Human Design is just yet another way to describe things, and it doesn't matter which concept you chose as long as it gets you to where you're supposed to get (self-awareness).
I have never gotten an HD reading, even though I considered it a few times. I've read a few books and I guess I felt that gave me all the info I needed. If you do go for a reading, I'd be very interested to know how it went!

And you are very, very welcome - I'm happy this system helps you as it helped me!

Peony,

Thank you for checking!!!

This link provides the basics for reading the chart - if it spikes your interest I can share a lot of other links, resources and information too I'd be very interested to hear your take on it, whether it resonates with you and what you think of the whole thing!

http://mollyrider.com/freehdchart/human-design-centers-types-strategy-authority -channels-gates/

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posted May 05, 2015 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I work in a place I do the same thing all the time, and I just love it....

At home, I can watch TV for lond time, when I draw, I go for it for long hours... And seems like I can't stop... thiking, reading, writing or even talking... Yeah, this is strange, but I have some difficult time to sleep... I spent a time rolling on bed

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DaniPepper87,

Do you resonate with the description of Generators?
Generators have unlimited access to energy, they 'keep the world spinning' and even when they rest it needs to be active rest (for example, reading, keeping busy with a hobby, etc.) My mother is a Generator and she laughed with tears once when a friend told her that she had spent a full hour with her husband on a holiday watching the sunrise. She just can't understand how someone could stand still for an hour and just stare into the horizon
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posted May 05, 2015 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.jovianarchive.com/Content/Charts/629747317800000000_.png

Manifesting Generator 5/1
Inner Authority: Sacral
Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Refinement (33/19 | 2/1)

What does this mean?

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posted May 05, 2015 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Apparently I am a manifestor. Not sure I see myself this way. but who knows if I see myself the right way anyway?

BTW is anyones inner authority emotional - solar plexus?


hmm reading a bit on manifestor, it does not fit my experiences.


Yeah! I have inner authority emotional solar plexus as well. Only difference is that I am a Projector 6/2 personality.

This is a really cool system, never heard of it before! I'm going to have sit and ruminate about this- I have some thoughts but I've got to finish up a paper too.

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posted May 06, 2015 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SaturnFan, some preliminary thoughts. I'm starting to understand the basic elements of the chart, whereas at first I had no idea what I was looking at.

I don't know how the system relates to Kabbalah. It looks like there's a structural resemblance between the "lines" and the 32 paths of wisdom, but they could have different meanings, just as the meanings of some of the chakras in Human Design are not identical to East Indian yoga.

The "Incarnation Crosses" are intriguing. I tried to find out the meaning of "Left Angle Cross of Masks," but all I could find was this:

"The Left Angle is the geometry of the trans-personal incarnation cross. This is classified as "Trans-Personal Karma." Left angle people have a karmic connection with everyone they interact with, and their destiny is intertwined with all of these transpersonal connections. Angle is determined by Profile. Left Angle Profiles are the 5/1, 5/2, 6/2 and 6/3."

Do your books explain what a "Left Angle Cross of Masks" means or do you have a link to a source of information about it? Everything I've seen online is pretty basic and doesn't go into any depth. Or, is there a book you can recommend? Thanks!

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posted May 06, 2015 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Einfühlung     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Manifesting Generator. but I whenever I have a chance to be lazy I can be lazy allll day longgg

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Id love to give my opinion, but Ive got no idea what Im looking at, yet The sites a bit confusing, going to attempt navigation, haha.

Type: Manifesting Generator
Profile: 1 / 3
Definition: Triple Split Definition
Inner Authority: Emotional - Solar Plexus
Strategy: To Respond
Theme: Frustration
Incarnation Cross: Right Angle Cross of Tension (38/39 | 48/21)


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I'm a Projector. I'm wondering if I'm really meant to be "invited" because I like to make things happen but yeah I do experience burnout. Waiting for an "invitation" sounds terribly depressing.

It's true that I've recognized many people's talents and abilities. I believe that everyone knows what they want and can get what they want. A tiny push in the right direction is all it takes.

My s.o is a Generator, and yeah I can see how it fits him. I've always wondered where he got his bursting energy from. Lol probably in my full Projector mode, I do "manage" his abilities. Looking at him is like looking a world of wonder and possibilities. Like I can guide and shape the roads for him so that he can "be" so much more.

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posted May 06, 2015 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Free Leon:
http://www.jovianarchive.com/Content/Charts/629747317800000000_.png

Manifesting Generator 5/1
Inner Authority: Sacral
Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Refinement (33/19 | 2/1)

What does this mean?


Wow, quite a few Manifesting Generators here I'm going to post an excerpt of the Manifesting Generator description from one of my books (Karen Curry), let's see if you guys resonate with it. Just remember this comes close to a Sun Sign description - it's very generic and once you get into other aspects of your chart it becomes more specific and relevant.

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The Manifesting Generator

Strengths
Energetic
Can do many things at once
Good at finding shortcuts
Self-aware
Sustainable Energy

Weaknesses
Emotional themes: anger and frustration
Skips important steps
Tries to 'make things happen'
Hates waiting
Don't always finish what they started

Manifesting Generators are designed to do multiple things at once.

To others, the Manifesting Generator appears to be 'all over the place. But a Manifesting Generator is uniquely capable of getting more done than most people, and they can sustain this pace over a long period of time.

The Manifesting Generator Strategies: Visualise and Inform
Manifesting Generators should try on ideas in their imagination first and visualise the outcome. Then, they must wait before taking action.

Special Traits: Multitasking

What people often don't understand about the Manifesting Generator is that they need to do more than one thing at a time. If they don't get to express that part of their energy, it's actually unhealthy for them and they can end up feeling very frustrated and angry.
Most Manifesting Generators feel that the world just doesn't move fast enough for them. If you're a Manifesting Generator, it's good to remember that most people are not able to do as much or move as fast as you. Try to be patient.

The Manifesting Generator's Health

Manifesting Generators have two important considerations when it comes to health: responding and making sure they are doing enough. The thyroid of a Manifesting Generator is exceptionally vulnerable. To stay healthy, a Manifesting Generator needs to respond (instead of initiate), which isn't easy for them.
A Manifesting Generator who is not doing a lot, and feels stuck or trapped, can also have thyroid challenges. when a Manifesting Generator is fallow, it's like trying to keep a lightning bolt in a glass jar. That energy has to go somewhere, and if it's not being used, it will ricochet around the body.
Manifesting Generators, like Generators, need to wear themselves out everyday to get good sleep and renewal. They need to stay active to stay strong and healthy.


As for the other areas in your chart, Free Lion:

Sacral Authority means you have a yes-or-no response to everything which comes your way, and this needs to be the way you filter out things and make decisions. For example, if your mind thinks a specific thing (like a job) is great but your gut tells you 'no', then it's a no.

You have open Head, Ajna and Emotional centres, which means that you are highly sensitive to what people around you feel and think. Just being next to a particular person can lead to a rapid influx of ideas and thoughts, without even having to talk to them - this is an example of how you detect energy through your open Head and Ajna centres. This can be challenging because you are able to understand every point of view, and identify with it, so it could lead to indecisiveness or confusion. The positive manifestation of having these 2 centres open is the ability for great tolerance, understanding of everyone's position, unlimited access to inspiration.

Your open Emotional centre (Solar Plexus) is where you detect people's emotions. Again the risk is identifying with emotions which are not yours, and allowing other people's emotional waves to bring you up and down. Once you become aware of this and start recognising which emotion is yours and which belongs to the other person, you can fully explore the positive manifestation of an open Solar Plexus, which is unlimited empathy.

Do you resonate with any of this?

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posted May 06, 2015 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Yeah! I have inner authority emotional solar plexus as well. Only difference is that I am a Projector 6/2 personality.

This is a really cool system, never heard of it before! I'm going to have sit and ruminate about this- I have some thoughts but I've got to finish up a paper too.


Good luck with your paper, Bella! When you come back to looking into this, I'd be happy to tell you more about being a Projector and a 6/2 profile I'm a Projector too!

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There is only one problem with this system. It is limited to our known energy centers. There are two more energy centers already developing. Many people have access to at least one other already. But there is value in every system and this system addresses the known centers which is of great value.

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posted May 06, 2015 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Peony

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Originally posted by peony:

I don't know how the system relates to Kabbalah. It looks like there's a structural resemblance between the "lines" and the 32 paths of wisdom, but they could have different meanings, just as the meanings of some of the chakras in Human Design are not identical to East Indian yoga.

According to one of my books (the one co-written by the founder of this system), this is where Human Design and Kabbalah 'meet - in the 32 lines, which were 'inspired' by the Tree of Life concept. Each line is called a Channel and has 2 opposite gates. When one is defined and the other not, you will be attracted to people with an active opposite gate, in order to complete the channel. Is this how things work in Kabbalah? I'm sad to admit I have next to zero knowledge of this system.

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The "Incarnation Crosses" are intriguing. I tried to find out the meaning of "Left Angle Cross of Masks," but all I could find was this:

"The Left Angle is the geometry of the trans-personal incarnation cross. This is classified as "Trans-Personal Karma." Left angle people have a karmic connection with everyone they interact with, and their destiny is intertwined with all of these transpersonal connections. Angle is determined by Profile. Left Angle Profiles are the 5/1, 5/2, 6/2 and 6/3."

Do your books explain what a "Left Angle Cross of Masks" means or do you have a link to a source of information about it? Everything I've seen online is pretty basic and doesn't go into any depth. Or, is there a book you can recommend? Thanks!


The incarnation crosses are described best in the book "The definite book of Human Design: The science of differentiation" by Lynda Bunnell and Ra Uru Hu (the pseudonym of the guy who founded Human Design). Unfortunately the information online on incarnation crosses and a few of the other specifics is very limited and hard to find.

Here's how your Incarnation Cross is described in the book:

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Left Angle Cross of Masks - People, who are projected upon to provide practical or wise leadership, to be influential change agents; they do so best from behind a mask or title, such as the general or therapist.

And here's a generic description of the Quarter of Duality which your Incarnation cross is part of:

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The Third Quarter brings us to the most mundane and intimately human of the four, where we cross the barrier of our separateness and address our need for the other, and mystically the two becomes the one. In this realm we penetrate to the core of the dual nature of our existence; on the one hand expanding the Maya (Measure for Measure) while on the other connecting to the beauty and mysteries of incarnating. It makes our ability to bond with others a constant source of wonder.

It does sound very much like you, since you've shown genuine interest in individuals on this forum and their problems, and helping and guiding seems to come very naturally to you. But you're the best judge of whether this is an accurate description.

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posted May 06, 2015 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Manifesting Generator. but I whenever I have a chance to be lazy I can be lazy allll day longgg

'When I have a chance' - do you find it easy to rest when you know you have work to do, or does it bug you until you finally get it done?

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posted May 06, 2015 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:

Id love to give my opinion, but Ive got no idea what Im looking at, yet The sites a bit confusing, going to attempt navigation, haha.

Type: Manifesting Generator
Profile: 1 / 3
Definition: Triple Split Definition
Inner Authority: Emotional - Solar Plexus
Strategy: To Respond
Theme: Frustration
Incarnation Cross: Right Angle Cross of Tension (38/39 | 48/21)


Hi Angela

I posted a Manifesting Generator description 3-4 posts up, could you have a look and see if it resonates?
I also provided a brief description in the same post on open (white) Head and Ajna centres - the top triangles, so this would apply to you as well.

The site I posted in the OP where you can pull your chart is very hard to navigate for descriptions. This one is a bit better - let me know if it works for you and if not, I'll be happy to provide more information myself

http://mollyrider.com/freehdchart/human-design-centers-types-strategy-authority -channels-gates/

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I'm a Projector. I'm wondering if I'm really meant to be "invited" because I like to make things happen but yeah I do experience burnout. Waiting for an "invitation" sounds terribly depressing.

I'm also a Projector, and yes the 'wait for invitation' bit I found infuriating. It all comes down to poor wording in the end, I believe. Firstly, it's only about 'big' things in life, like relationships, relocation, change of jobs/ career etc. "Waiting" is not meant as sitting around and hoping for people or circumstances to magically show up, but 'doing your own thing' which comes naturally. For example, if you are drawn to taking a Marketing course or researching Marketing in your own time, you should do it and you will attract a Marketing gig energetically. This is what they mean by 'waiting' - trusting your intuition to explore things of interest, which changes your whole energy vibration and attracts the very thing you are 'preparing' for.
It still sounds too passive for my liking, but looking back the best things in my life always happened through an 'invitation' (which by the way does not need to be formal or even worded as such, it just means that someone recognises your specific skills or personality and reaches out to you). When I've tried to 'initiate' things I got very disappointing results But I'm still testing it out to see how it will work in the future.

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It's true that I've recognized many people's talents and abilities. I believe that everyone knows what they want and can get what they want. A tiny push in the right direction is all it takes.

My s.o is a Generator, and yeah I can see how it fits him. I've always wondered where he got his bursting energy from. Lol probably in my full Projector mode, I do "manage" his abilities. Looking at him is like looking a world of wonder and possibilities. Like I can guide and shape the roads for him so that he can "be" so much more.


This is beautiful! it's how I see my close ones as well, so much potential, and so little needed to start fulfilling it

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