posted June 03, 2015 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Ra's explanation for 6-3 made it sound like two people with this dynamic aren't very involved in each other's lives. Have you found this to be the case?

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I don't have much to go on (this is the guy I wrote about in my email), but I can definitely say how the energy felt, in the context of being surrounded by a large group of people. We were both eager to connect with and talk with everyone, but there was a cord which kept pulling us back together. We would either seek each other out after a while, or just naturally end up at the same place. In this context, 6-3 was perfect because it didn't limit us in fully enjoying the experience.

My personal opinion is, for a long-term relationship, it depends on what the person wants. Some people want to be with their partners all the time, preferably alone, and this can lead to isolation (I know quite a few couples like this and they terrify me! But it works for them ). Personally, an ideal relationship for me is both people having their own identity, and their own exciting life, which they can then talk about with each other, and also both people being open to meeting new friends, having guests over, etc. - i.e. not the type to lock themselves away from the world once they get together. So 6-3 would be perfect for me, because it provides both commitment and freedom and would keep the thrill alive (my Taurus Moon - Aquarius Venus/AC - Scorpio Pluto t-square would get some peace). But this can definitely be problematic for other people, so they would be happier in a 7-2 or 8-1 relationship. My point is, all configurations can be great and can lead to very happy relationships, as long as they resonate with what the 2 partners in the couple want for themselves.

Ra is very one-dimensional in his explanations, as if a specific combination between 2 people can play out only in 1 or 2 ways.

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Originally posted by peony:
According to HD, an evolutionary shift occurred in 1781 correlating with the discovery of Uranus, when we became 9-centered beings from the original seven.

Here's a novel idea, or at least one I haven't heard before. According to HD, in the individual birth chart, at the time of a Uranus opposition, between the ages of 38 and 43, we move from the South Node to the North Node which "signals a process of letting go of what no longer serves us, and retaining what does."

This is echoed by the first Saturn square after the first Saturn return leading up to the second Saturn opposition when the existing structure of our lives begin to fray and a separation from the past can be acutely felt.

A significant nodal return also occurs around this same time at age 38, according to the Saros cycle of the Moon's nodes. Erin Sullivan in her "Saturn" book says this nodal return signals the ending of a chapter and the beginning of a new one in terms of our life's work.

SaturnFan, given this important rite of passage, might it be useful to look at the Gate and Line corresponding to the North Node, or the channel if it's defined and could these have specific relevance for navigating the transition?

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This is fascinating!!! And yes, it is absolutely worth checking the Nodes in detail, in the context of this transition. I'll do some more research on this.

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Originally posted by peony:
Lying about what?

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posted June 06, 2015 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
According to HD, an evolutionary shift occurred in 1781 correlating with the discovery of Uranus, when we became 9-centered beings from the original seven.

Here's a novel idea, or at least one I haven't heard before. According to HD, in the individual birth chart, at the time of a Uranus opposition, between the ages of 38 and 43, we move from the South Node to the North Node which "signals a process of letting go of what no longer serves us, and retaining what does."

This is echoed by the first Saturn square after the first Saturn return leading up to the second Saturn opposition when the existing structure of our lives begin to fray and a separation from the past can be acutely felt.

A significant nodal return also occurs around this same time at age 38, according to the Saros cycle of the Moon's nodes. Erin Sullivan in her "Saturn" book says this nodal return signals the ending of a chapter and the beginning of a new one in terms of our life's work.

SaturnFan, given this important rite of passage, might it be useful to look at the Gate and Line corresponding to the North Node, or the channel if it's defined and could these have specific relevance for navigating the transition?

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I have been thinking about my north and south nodes lately... very interesting!

Much has transitioned the last few years thus far, and hopefully things will come full circle in 2 years for me... Phew!

posted June 07, 2015 04:57 PM            

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I have been thinking about my north and south nodes lately... very interesting!

Much has transitioned the last few years thus far, and hopefully things will come full circle in 2 years for me... Phew!

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Hi Blue

SaturnFan suggested you take a look at Channel 64-47 early in the thread. I'm mentioning it now because your NN is linked to Gate 47[personality] of that Channel, and Gate 6 [Design] of Channel 59-6.

Here's Lynda Bunnell's descriptions of Gate 47:

"If Gate 64 is the one who remembers the disorganized collection of film clips that passes through its life, then Gate 47 is the editor who attempts to assemble them all into a meaningful slice of human experience. You will not see the full picture immediately as you tentatively start to sort through the collection of images, and it may not be apparent to you at first which clip holds the key to your eventual mental realization. As new details emerge, you may vacillate between perceiving the event this way or that way through a mix of recognitions that direct you toward different interpretations. At first you may feel that rather than the process becoming easier, it is becoming more complicated for you to reassemble the mental sequences in a way that makes sense. If you can step back and trust, however, you will eventually cycle through to that "aha" moment. The secret is to avoid the pressure to act on every conclusion that comes to you, and simply enjoy the array of possibilities that move through your active mind, until one stands out. You are then ready, when asked and it is correct for you, to share your recognition with others."

I won't quote her on Gate 6, for copyright reasons, but here's the link to Channel 59-6. I wasn't able to find a description just for Gate 6 on the website, but maybe SaturnFan can.
http://humandesign.com/channel-of-mating-59-6

I know we're on the subject of nodes, but in passing, I think this is interesting in terms of synastry. You have a defined Gate 6. Someone with a defined Gate 59 would be great for you. Here's a passage about this channel in synastry from Lynda Bunnell's HD book:

"Although designed to experience a potent emotional wave, those with the Channel of Mating can actually appear quite stable emotionally. Their wave is activated or brought to the point of response by the proximity or touch of another person. A well-timed hug, or hand on the shoulder, at just the right point on their wave helps them release pent up emotions that cannot be released through words. This is a form of intimacy that can be expressed through tears, a heart-felt sigh or by deeply relaxing into someone's understanding embrace. Doing so maintains a healthy sense of emotional balance between stronger (sexual) emotional releases. Channel 59-6 is best experienced as an electromagnetic connection between two people, when each partner has one of the gates."

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"Each gate in the Solar Plexus carries a fear. The fear associated with the 6th gate is the fear of intimacy, which is why Gate 6 looks to Gate 59 with its ability to break down the barriers to intimacy."

The Definitive Book of Human Design, Lynda Bunnell

posted June 11, 2015 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SDragon, I waited to see if a used copy showed up on Amazon or eBay, but no such luck. It's $53 new, but I'm glad I bought it!

Let me know if there's something you'd like an excerpt on. I can't give lengthy quotes of course, but I'd be glad to share.

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Hi Peony,

Can I take you up on your offer? You mentioned that each Solar Plexus gate had a fear associated with it in the above post. Could you share the fears for Gates 22, 37, 49, 55? Could just be the name without the description if you're worried about posting too much copyright info.

posted June 11, 2015 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Hi Peony,

Can I take you up on your offer? You mentioned that each Solar Plexus gate had a fear associated with it in the above post. Could you share the fears for Gates 22, 37, 49, 55? Could just be the name without the description if you're worried about posting too much copyright info.

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Sure, here you go.

Gate 22: Grace - The Gate of Openness

The reference here is to a "quality of openness through listening, combined with a social grace and charm that is highly attractive to others" when you're in the right mood...in the company of your creative muse, you deepen with maturity. By honoring your mood, you acquire the right timing to release your truth just when society is receptive to it...In fact, it is your responsibility and privilege to use your social listening skills in a way that makes change available to others." If your 12th Gate is undefined, you may have difficulty articulating what you feel verbally. It indicates a discomfort with silence and that what you fear most is the absence of anything worthwhile to listen to.

Gate 37: Family - The Gate of Friendship

According to Bunnell, this is the most communal gate. "When your power is recognized by others, you can hold both a family and a community together with your warmth, friendliness and nurturing nature." A defined Gate 37 indicates skill in connecting emotionally to others through touch and an unusual sensitivity to others' openness to you. The fear has to do with being trapped in or being compelled to live up to "traditional Tribal roles."

Gate 49: Revolution - The Gate of Principles

Having a defined Gate 49 puts you in a position of power and authority within the tribe or community. Your sensitivity to others and their needs depends on whether or not they resonate with your principles. "Yours is a social agenda for change and reformation." The fear is of rejection and the "consequences of unpredictability."

Gate 55: Abundance - The Gate of Spirit

Bunnell states that awareness of spirit is tied in with the Solar Plexus center, not the mind (Ajna) or instinct (Spleen). She says abundance is "a function of spirit, how you perceive what you are feeling, and the mood you are experiencing in the moment." This gate is susceptible to melancholy within the emotional wave, which constantly undergoing cycles of hope or pain. Your moods signal what is right for you and when. Creatively, the best time for you is when you're feeling deep melancholy. "A thoughtful word to those around you when you are simply not in the mood to be social will help them to not personalize the emotional energy that they are feeling from you." People with a defined Gate 39, the companion gate, are a catalyst so you can perceive your spirit and your moods. "Spirit awareness arises out of the wonder that the cup exists at all. What you fear most is emotional emptiness or a lack of passion in life."

Does any of this resonate? Also, it may be relevant to note whether the gates in question are conscious or unconscious.

posted June 11, 2015 06:22 PM            

Gate 18 has an "Emperor has no clothes" theme to it and it describes him very well. It's so accurate in pointing out the danger of a person's ability to judge when this strength is turned against themselves.

Gate 58, the companion gate is red. Does that mean that he's unaware of or unable to access its qualities?

posted June 11, 2015 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Sure, here you go.

Gate 22: Grace - The Gate of Openness

The reference here is to a "quality of openness through listening, combined with a social grace and charm that is highly attractive to others" when you're in the right mood...in the company of your creative muse, you deepen with maturity. By honoring your mood, you acquire the right timing to release your truth just when society is receptive to it...In fact, it is your responsibility and privilege to use your social listening skills in a way that makes change available to others." If your 12th Gate is undefined, you may have difficulty articulating what you feel verbally. It indicates a discomfort with silence and that what you fear most is the absence of anything worthwhile to listen to.

Gate 37: Family - The Gate of Friendship

According to Bunnell, this is the most communal gate. "When your power is recognized by others, you can hold both a family and a community together with your warmth, friendliness and nurturing nature." A defined Gate 37 indicates skill in connecting emotionally to others through touch and an unusual sensitivity to others' openness to you. The fear has to do with being trapped in or being compelled to live up to "traditional Tribal roles."

Gate 49: Revolution - The Gate of Principles

Having a defined Gate 49 puts you in a position of power and authority within the tribe or community. Your sensitivity to others and their needs depends on whether or not they resonate with your principles. "Yours is a social agenda for change and reformation." The fear is of rejection and the "consequences of unpredictability."

Gate 55: Abundance - The Gate of Spirit

Bunnell states that awareness of spirit is tied in with the Solar Plexus center, not the mind (Ajna) or instinct (Spleen). She says abundance is "a function of spirit, how you perceive what you are feeling, and the mood you are experiencing in the moment." This gate is susceptible to melancholy within the emotional wave, which constantly undergoing cycles of hope or pain. Your moods signal what is right for you and when. Creatively, the best time for you is when you're feeling deep melancholy. "A thoughtful word to those around you when you are simply not in the mood to be social will help them to not personalize the emotional energy that they are feeling from you." People with a defined Gate 39, the companion gate, are a catalyst so you can perceive your spirit and your moods. "Spirit awareness arises out of the wonder that the cup exists at all. What you fear most is emotional emptiness or a lack of passion in life."

Does any of this resonate? Also, it may be relevant to note whether the gates in question are conscious or unconscious.

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Thanks Peony!

All my gates are Design except for 22 which is both Personality and Design.

posted June 12, 2015 07:02 AM            

For example, I don't know if any of you have come acrossed this guy but his name is Stephen Wiltshire and he has a brilliant photographic memory to that point that when he flys over a city in a helicopter, he can remember minute details of the city & buildings and can reproduce a drawing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33092748

I'm sure there is an interview/documentary on youtube too.

The point is.... we have been programmed to THINK that we fits into this box and that. We are told of our limit of human capability but that's a dangerous things to do. It's like an affirmation. You can only run so far e.g. 8km per hour or whatever and you manifest it!

posted June 12, 2015 10:36 AM            

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We are infinite IF we have the channel open to access what's in the universe.

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We are infinite and there are information available beyond what humans can imagine! We have access to incredible energy out there in the universe. You just need to be able to tap into it.

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Thank you for your comment. As you say, we are infinite - in our inmost being, and certainly those that have that channel completely open don't need Human Design or any other system or method for realizing this Truth. But, many people don't have that channel fully open and are at various stages of spiritual evolution. How do you address that, or do you?

That's why there are systems like Human Design, and teachers and guides to help us open the channels.

You're not suggesting that embodied beings who have not awakened yet need no methods to get from point A to point B, are you?

posted June 12, 2015 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:

Gate 58, the companion gate is red. Does that mean that he's unaware of or unable to access its qualities?

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The red definitions mean that the person is naturally unconscious of this energy, and it might be more visible to others rather than themselves. We can access the energy of our unconscious/ red definitions, but usually we need to achieve awareness of it and put in some effort in order to master it in a conscious, directed way.

Gate 58 is a personal favourite of mine. It's my personality Sun Gate, so it is supposed to contain 70% of my neutrinos/ energy, and I've been so aware of its energy, long before hearing about HD. It's the Gate of Joy, but ironically it can bring a lot of suffering because when you have this defined you are always aware of what brings joy, and that joy is a natural state - and anything that does not fit with this vision, hurts you deeply because you experience it as unnatural. Your friend having the full channel might be more balanced in the expression of this Gate, but since it's unconscious I imagine it brings frequent depressive/ melancholic states which deep down are caused by the awareness that 'real life' can be so much more joyous, free, inspiring etc.

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Originally posted by peony:
I also want to ask if you know, what's the distinction between a defined center and an undefined center when most gates within it are defined and a majority or some of them are also conscious (black)?

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Brilliant question, and I've never seen this explained anywhere in the reading I've done so far.

My intuitive response, based on observation and experience is:
* A defined centre always emits energy and influences the environment around it, and requires conscious effort to become aware of others' energy
* An open centre with a lot of (if not all) defined Gates, especially black, will act as any other open centre in taking in energy, but the defined Gates will make it easier to 'filter' the energy and avoid identifying with it.
* If a defined Centre with a lot of open Gates is in contact with an Open Centre with a lot of defined Gates, there will be a storm of conscious and unconscious energy exchange where both people will pass their own energy onto the other, and their open placements will intensify the other's energy. They will see part of themselves in the other, amplified - but this is too generic and can play out in a million ways, depending on the centres, the people, and their level of awareness

Does that make sense based on your observations?

posted June 12, 2015 11:09 AM            

Thank you for joining us, and with such an inspiring message

I think the main value of systems like Astrology, HD, etc. is to help us uncover aspects of ourselves (personality traits, deep fears and desires, behavioural patterns), which we normally would be unaware of. I view these systems as a tool to expand my understanding of myself, rather than limit it.

Of course, it's easy to fall in the trap of defining yourself by some specific placements, but when they are viewed as a potential, or just energy which you can embrace and learn to control, then they can be very helpful, empowering and liberating.

In this sense, I completely echo peony's sentiment in the post above.

posted June 12, 2015 11:14 AM            

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Thanks Peony!

All my gates are Design except for 22 which is both Personality and Design.

Gates 37 and 49 make the most sense. Gates 22 and 55 seem to be explained in an abstract way, such that I'm not quite sure I can see it in myself.

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Hi SDragon , I find Gates 22 and 37 very impressive.

It may be that because Gate 22 and 55 are partially or wholly Design that you don't see yourself, I don't know.

Gate 12, the paired Gate with 22 would connect your Solar Plexus to your Throat Center and close the split definition there. So someone with a defined Gate 12 would be an interesting person to know.

12-22 is a wonderful channel for a teacher or artist or musician: "When your mood and timing are in sync, you can empower others to vicariously experience love's full range of emotions through public media such as speaking, acting, poetry or music."

I'm curious. Do you have any quintiles or biquintiles, or Venus-Neptune or Mars-Neptune aspect in your natal?

I also noticed that with your open Root Center, people with Gates 39 and 19 would connect your Solar Plexus with your Root Center and close that split definition.

posted June 12, 2015 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
hello peony

Brilliant question, and I've never seen this explained anywhere in the reading I've done so far.

My intuitive response, based on observation and experience is:
* A defined centre always emits energy and influences the environment around it, and requires conscious effort to become aware of others' energy
* An open centre with a lot of (if not all) defined Gates, especially black, will act as any other open centre in taking in energy, but the defined Gates will make it easier to 'filter' the energy and avoid identifying with it.
* If a defined Centre with a lot of open Gates is in contact with an Open Centre with a lot of defined Gates, there will be a storm of conscious and unconscious energy exchange where both people will pass their own energy onto the other, and their open placements will intensify the other's energy. They will see part of themselves in the other, amplified - but this is too generic and can play out in a million ways, depending on the centres, the people, and their level of awareness

Does that make sense based on your observations?

I'll start paying attention to this more, it's a very intriguing question!

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SaturnFan, hi

Thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I'll have to pay more attention to see how these dynamics play out, but this fascinates me.

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Gate 58 is a personal favourite of mine. It's my personality Sun Gate, so it is supposed to contain 70% of my neutrinos/ energy, and I've been so aware of its energy, long before hearing about HD. It's the Gate of Joy, but ironically it can bring a lot of suffering because when you have this defined you are always aware of what brings joy, and that joy is a natural state - and anything that does not fit with this vision, hurts you deeply because you experience it as unnatural. Your friend having the full channel might be more balanced in the expression of this Gate, but since it's unconscious I imagine it brings frequent depressive/ melancholic states which deep down are caused by the awareness that 'real life' can be so much more joyous, free, inspiring etc.

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This thread has been invaluable as a laboratory for discovering correlations between HD and astrology and for a number of insights that keep being unpacked. Many thanks!

posted June 12, 2015 12:23 PM            

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Hi Blue

SaturnFan suggested you take a look at Channel 64-47 early in the thread. I'm mentioning it now because your NN is linked to Gate 47[personality] of that Channel, and Gate 6 [Design] of Channel 59-6.

Here's Lynda Bunnell's descriptions of Gate 47:

"If Gate 64 is the one who remembers the disorganized collection of film clips that passes through its life, then Gate 47 is the editor who attempts to assemble them all into a meaningful slice of human experience. You will not see the full picture immediately as you tentatively start to sort through the collection of images, and it may not be apparent to you at first which clip holds the key to your eventual mental realization. As new details emerge, you may vacillate between perceiving the event this way or that way through a mix of recognitions that direct you toward different interpretations. At first you may feel that rather than the process becoming easier, it is becoming more complicated for you to reassemble the mental sequences in a way that makes sense. If you can step back and trust, however, you will eventually cycle through to that "aha" moment. The secret is to avoid the pressure to act on every conclusion that comes to you, and simply enjoy the array of possibilities that move through your active mind, until one stands out. You are then ready, when asked and it is correct for you, to share your recognition with others."

I won't quote her on Gate 6, for copyright reasons, but here's the link to Channel 59-6. I wasn't able to find a description just for Gate 6 on the website, but maybe SaturnFan can.
http://humandesign.com/channel-of-mating-59-6

I know we're on the subject of nodes, but in passing, I think this is interesting in terms of synastry. You have a defined Gate 6. Someone with a defined Gate 59 would be great for you. Here's a passage about this channel in synastry from Lynda Bunnell's HD book:

"Although designed to experience a potent emotional wave, those with the Channel of Mating can actually appear quite stable emotionally. Their wave is activated or brought to the point of response by the proximity or touch of another person. A well-timed hug, or hand on the shoulder, at just the right point on their wave helps them release pent up emotions that cannot be released through words. This is a form of intimacy that can be expressed through tears, a heart-felt sigh or by deeply relaxing into someone's understanding embrace. Doing so maintains a healthy sense of emotional balance between stronger (sexual) emotional releases. Channel 59-6 is best experienced as an electromagnetic connection between two people, when each partner has one of the gates."

and this:

"Each gate in the Solar Plexus carries a fear. The fear associated with the 6th gate is the fear of intimacy, which is why Gate 6 looks to Gate 59 with its ability to break down the barriers to intimacy."

The Definitive Book of Human Design, Lynda Bunnell

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Hey Peony!!

Sorry, I missed your response. Haven't checked this thread in a few days... will have an in depth look at this later, and will get back! thank you!

posted June 12, 2015 05:18 PM            

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Thank you for your comment. As you say, we are infinite - in our inmost being, and certainly those that have that channel completely open don't need Human Design or any other system or method for realizing this Truth. But, many people don't have that channel fully open and are at various stages of spiritual evolution. How do you address that, or do you?

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That's why there are systems like Human Design, and teachers and guides to help us open the channels.

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You're not suggesting that embodied beings who have not awakened yet need no methods to get from point A to point B, are you?

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posted June 12, 2015 05:45 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Hi SDragon , I find Gates 22 and 37 very impressive.

It may be that because Gate 22 and 55 are partially or wholly Design that you don't see yourself, I don't know.

Gate 12, the paired Gate with 22 would connect your Solar Plexus to your Throat Center and close the split definition there. So someone with a defined Gate 12 would be an interesting person to know.

12-22 is a wonderful channel for a teacher or artist or musician: "When your mood and timing are in sync, you can empower others to vicariously experience love's full range of emotions through public media such as speaking, acting, poetry or music."

I'm curious. Do you have any quintiles or biquintiles, or Venus-Neptune or Mars-Neptune aspect in your natal?

I also noticed that with your open Root Center, people with Gates 39 and 19 would connect your Solar Plexus with your Root Center and close that split definition.

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Very astute Peony

My SO interest has a gate 39 and I have gate 55 so we bridge and connect each others Root Center.

posted June 12, 2015 06:19 PM            

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I would say, anytime is a good time to start to try opening the channel. We all got to start from somewhere.

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How funny. Apparently, you think that we fell out of a spiritual turnip truck and don't know this because we're talking and interacting about Human Design.

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You're cute. Do you realize you're making assumptions about people you don't know?

posted June 12, 2015 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
...I do have a Venus/Mars sesquiquadrate Neptune, how did you make that connection?

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The attribute of artistic creativity associated with Gate 22. The expression of that however needs access to Gate 12 in the Throat Center. It seems to me a person with a defined Gate 12 could be a catalyst for you creatively.

Remember, you've got a defined Channel 1-8. Gate 1 is the Gate of Self-Expression, and Gate 8 is Holding Together - The Gate of Contribution. Together, this is the "Channel of Inspiration - A Design of a Creative Role Model." Very Impressive!

If you don't mind my asking, how would you say the Venus/Mars sesquiquadrate to Neptune manifests, either in the past or present, in your life?

posted June 12, 2015 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
How funny. Apparently, you think that we fell out of a spiritual turnip truck and don't know this because we're talking and interacting about Human Design.

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...but my point is not to stop there.[/QUOTE]

You're cute. Do you realize you're making assumptions about people you don't know?

posted June 13, 2015 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
How funny. Apparently, you think that we fell out of a spiritual turnip truck and don't know this because we're talking and interacting about Human Design.

Sorry, I don't quite get your point.

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Not to detract the thread but basically she is saying that your post came across as the person who has wisdom to share but isn't aware of when it should be shared or not. So, yes, your points are valid - but we already kind of knew that Human Design is only one facet that can tell us about ourselves.

If you want to start another thread about the limitations of systems and the true potentiality of humans, I'm sure a lot of us would join you in exploring that realm of thought, myself included.

posted June 13, 2015 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
If you don't mind my asking, how would you say the Venus/Mars sesquiquadrate to Neptune manifests, either in the past or present, in your life?

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In the past I would say it did attract the energy of seeing reality and my own actions through rose-colored glasses. There needed to be a tinge of romanticism and higher ideals in what I 'valued' as well as 'rationalizing' my own actions.

posted June 13, 2015 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
In the past I would say it did attract the energy of seeing reality and my own actions through rose-colored glasses. There needed to be a tinge of romanticism and higher ideals in what I 'valued' as well as 'rationalizing' my own actions.

Now that I'm older, I recognize them as guiding principles that make life special but no longer feel attached to them in the sense that they emanate 'from' me per se.

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SDragon, what a wonderful contemplation to ponder. Thank you for sharing.

posted June 14, 2015 04:15 PM            

My questions appear in boldface.

SaturnFan: Your HD synastry with [X] is very exciting.

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1. What about two open G and Heart centers in synastry?

He's told me he once gave up his own business because his girlfriend at the time wanted him just to be with her. As for myself, I am self-aware, but, I'm not one thing. None of us is. I'm a Venus square Neptune, which in love can be self-sacrificing, plus an undefined G. But, maybe the two of us having an undefined G is actually okay. What do you think?

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SaturnFan: Him giving up his own business is absolutely an open G centre AND an open Heart centre thing. The open Heart Centre is prone to undervaluing itself, and needs a lot of self-awareness in order to learn how to enter commitments. People with open Heart centres very often rush into helping others (even with mundane things) and neglect themselves. Combined with an open G centre, ‘losing yourself’ in a relationship is a big risk, as well as putting your own needs and desires in the background.

Since both of you have your G and Heart centres open, both of you know very well what ‘unhealthy’ self-sacrifice feels like. I believe you attracted each other in your lives, exactly in order to experience the open Sacral, G and Heart synastry. None [neither] of you is overwriting and locking down the other in these so crucial areas (life-force, identity, self-value), so you are free to experience this ‘openness’ while in a relationship. You are natural guide, and you need an open G centre in order to fully absorb the other person’s energy and (as a Projector) direct them. Someone defining your G centre in synastry would lock it away for others - you most probably don't want this, so you attracted someone who you would have an open G centre with in synastry. Without knowing what he is like or what he does for a living, I think I’m safe to say that he doesn’t want to be bogged down by a hard-set direction or identity, and judging by his past experience with his previous girlfriend he is probably exhausted with so drastically changing direction because of other people. Honestly, if I gave up my business because someone wanted me just for them, this would haunt me for life and I’ll swear ‘never again’. So the open G centre is healthy for both of you in your synastry, because neither of you will dictate the other’s sense of self.

The open Heart Centre is constantly under pressure to prove itself (when in the company of a defined Will Centre). Apart from willpower, it also rules your approach to commitment and with an open Heart Centre you might enter into commitments too prematurely (as in, promising things, rushing to assist etc.), and not finishing them or feeling exhausted and even sick if you do manage to finish them. If you have an open + defined Heart Centre in synastry, the open person would find it easier to finish things they start, and feel very motivated - however, this doesn’t mean that they are finishing the ‘right’ things to begin with. The open Heart Centre has to follow their own authority when agreeing to commitments (in your case, the Solar Plexus, in his case the Spleen). Again, I see this as a very fortunate synastry for both of you, because you both attracted someone who will not urge you energetically to utilise your willpower. You already know how to do it, and you already value yourself enough to know what warrants your energy and attention. There is no pressure in your synastry to ‘prove yourself’.

It is fascinating that both of you not only have an open Sacral, but also all Gates in your Sacral centres are open. You are both meant to be constantly open to the world’s energy. Since you are both Projectors (=guides) and your synastry is such, that it allows both of you to still be open to other people’s life-force, identity and sense of value, I see this relationship as being fated. It allows you to be open to properly ‘help’ and guide other people, while still being in a committed relationship. It opens the door just enough but your defined centres still pull you together.

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2. I'm top heavy, meaning defined Head, Ajna, and Throat, whereas he is bottom heavy, meaning defined Spleen and Root and having many defined gates in each. What do you think this means?

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SaturnFan: I honestly believe you were both meant to experience this synastry with an open G, Sacral and Heart Centre.
His Design is tricky with just the 2 defined centres. Always open to emotions and thoughts of other people. It is very difficult to differentiate the different flows of energy when you are open to so many sources. You lock away his centres which are open to thoughts (Head and Ajna) and emotions (Solar Plexus) - both of which can cause great confusion - so he’s only left open to other people’s core. He defines your Spleen, providing you with constant access to intuition. It’s a beautiful synastry!

The Root and Spleen at the bottom of the chart provide instinctive, ‘in-the-now’ energy. The Head, Ajna and Solar Plexus are more sophisticated and strategic. The synastry creates a perfect balance, and I love how your defined centres ‘frame’ the 3 key open centres in the middle. You’re both shielding each other, and both of your identities and core selves are free. This must be something both of you need, it’s too harmonic for it to be a coincidence. It doesn’t have to mean polyamory, but there definitely should be a sense of freedom, and you and he are the ones who will decide what this freedom will look like.

Does any of this resonate? Do you see any correlation to your astrological synastry? :-)

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It certainly does. In the HD synastry, we're a "6-3," which means between us we have six defined centers and 3 undefined. Our 6-3 HD synastry correlates with aspects between personal planets and Uranus [and separately we have a Moon-Uranus conjunction and a Moon-Uranus opposition]:

Uranus square his Sun and Mercury
Moon-Venus conjunct his Uranus
Uranus trine his Venus

I relate our open G and Heart Centers and the tendency for self-sacrifice and helping others to both of us having Moon square Neptune, my Venus square Neptune, his Venus conjunct Neptune, and his Saturn-Neptune conjunction, the latter two aspects particularly since they're in his 7H.

Of course, comparative study between HD and astrology is very new, so these are just early observations and are not definitive by any means.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
The red definitions mean that the person is naturally unconscious of this energy, and it might be more visible to others rather than themselves. We can access the energy of our unconscious/ red definitions, but usually we need to achieve awareness of it and put in some effort in order to master it in a conscious, directed way.

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SaturnFan, I have a question regarding red and black definition in synastry.

As an example, you have a red definition in Gate 25 as part of a defined channel. I have this gate defined only, but mine is black. According to Ra, this is a dynamic of compromise, if I recall correctly, which he seems to regard as, ipso facto, negative. I'd be interested to hear if you have any thoughts about this since red and black gates in synastry must come up alot.

Could this dynamic have any correlation with the Jungian concept of projection, or am I going off the deep end? That is, the red definition projecting the attribute of Gate 25 (since it's unconscious) onto the black definition person?

By the way, I'm puzzled by the coupling of Gate 25 with Gate 51 because Gate 25 is about unconditional love and Gate 51 is about competition.

What got me thinking about Gate 25 is our NNodes are related to this gate, and several people on the thread have one of these gates defined:

Virgo AquaSag Gate 25 black
SaturnFan Gate 25 red 51 black
peony Gate 25 black
Faith Gate 51 black and red
Aunt Anomalia 51 red
Venus 25 red
Free Lion 25 red 51 black and red

Edit: I see, here it is: