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SDragon, what a wonderful contemplation to ponder. Thank you for sharing.

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posted June 15, 2015 04:09 AM            

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SaturnFan, this is so helpful. What I see in my friend is that Gate 58 is largely unconscious, even with a defined channel and that he does suffer from frequent melancholic states. If you're interested, the correlation in his natal chart is his Saturn conjunct Neptune, which also squares his Cap Moon.

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posted June 15, 2015 04:11 AM            

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Very impressive analysis, SaturnFan, thank you!

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posted June 15, 2015 05:02 AM            

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SaturnFan, I have a question regarding red and black definition in synastry.

As an example, you have a red definition in Gate 25 as part of a defined channel. I have this gate defined only, but mine is black. According to Ra, this is a dynamic of compromise, if I recall correctly, which he seems to regard as, ipso facto, negative. I'd be interested to hear if you have any thoughts about this since red and black gates in synastry must come up alot.

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One person with a defined Gate, in synastry with a person with the whole defined Channel, is what Ra calls 'compromise' because the Channel's energy will always overwrite the Gate (according to him). I'm not convinced this is how it works - the Channel will always be dominant in a way, however:
1. The fact that the 2 people already have 2 defined Gates in common, is a powerful connecting factor.
2. The fact that one person has had one Gate 'hanging' and is now, in synastry, completed by the other's channel is also a powerful connecting factor.
Whether the Channel person will overpower the 1 Gate person, depends both on which Channels/ Gates we're talking about, and (most of all) how the 2 people handle their energy. Ra viewing this combination as 'negative' is a yet another example of his black-and-white views on synastry. From what I've observed in my experience, this can be a very nice 'dance' between energies, and it usually provides great common ground.

For example, I have this with my brother - he has the whole Channel of Judgement (18-58) and I only have Gate 58 (which on top of that is my Personality Sun). He is a living illustration of this channel, always looking for ways to perfect things, always noticing the small inconsistencies and always pushing people to be better (often in a very intrusive way, but he's still very young ). According to Ra, I would feel subdued by his perfectionism and would leave it to him to tell me what I need to correct in myself, and even worse, he would overpower my own definition of joy (Gate 58). In reality, we are both constantly talking about what doesn't work in today's society, what needs to be done better by our generation, why things aren't working well, what a fulfilling life should look like etc. Our parents get exhausted listening to us when we're all together! I believe this is because he defines my whole 18-58 channel, and since I already have Gate 58 I feel it finds an outlet.

So, definitely not a negative aspect in HD synastry.

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Could this dynamic have any correlation with the Jungian concept of projection, or am I going off the deep end? That is, the red definition projecting the attribute of Gate 25 (since it's unconscious) onto the black definition person?

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Oh yes, I believe you're spot on. It also makes sense that a person with a red/unconscious gate in a Channel, would be attracted to a person with the same Gate but black/conscious. It's a way to stir up the energy, and help them live out the full potential of the Channel.

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By the way, I'm puzzled by the coupling of Gate 25 with Gate 51 because Gate 25 is about unconditional love and Gate 51 is about competition.

What got me thinking about Gate 25 is our NNodes are related to this gate, and several people on the thread have one of these gates defined:

Virgo AquaSag Gate 25 black
SaturnFan Gate 25 red 51 black
peony Gate 25 black
Faith Gate 51 black and red
Aunt Anomalia 51 red
Venus 25 red
Free Lion 25 red 51 black and red

Edit: I see, here it is:

"...initiating individuation is a mystical process at the heart of mutation...Your Strategy and Authority are the most powerful tools you have, along with the understanding that to survive the initiating shocks you will meet along the way, you must tend to the needs of your heart, both physically and metaphysically."

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posted June 15, 2015 05:38 PM            

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If you want to keep your 2nd line hermit happy, don't keep coming up with answers like this.

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posted June 16, 2015 04:54 PM            

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Very interesting! Gate 58 is a Capricorn Gate, which I've always found funny. Out of all the signs in the zodiac, Capricorn gets the Gate of Joy? But this energy of 'joy' seems to be inseparably tied with the Saturnian/ Capricorn melancholy, as is the case in your friend's chart. It looks like joy and melancholy are not mutually exclusive but just the 2 sides of the same coin.

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Yes, I think that must be true, which archetypally probably relates to the polarity between Jupiter and Saturn. An example that comes to mind I've noticed is professional comedians being very, very serious people in their personal lives.

About this channel, Bunnell talks about what happens when the "perfecting or correcting process" is "made personal." It's either turned inward against oneself or directed at other people as constant fault finding or an overall dissatisfaction with oneself and life in general. I see this in my friend.

Anyway, I've been interacting with someone on another thread who also has this gate defined and a Saturn-Pluto square to boot, so I've been contemplating this gate lately. 58-18 seems to reflect the Jupiter-Saturn dyad very well. What's occurring to me about this channel is that the two gates balance each other and that the anecdote for people who do personalize Gate 18 is Gate 58 in order to avoid the pitfalls associated with the former.

I wonder how often a defined Gate 18 shows up along with hard Saturn aspects in the natal chart. I have this and went through a process before I could stand listening to Mozart or the color yellow. Now I love them.

Ra said something interesting. I hope I'm remembering it right. He suggested that two people who have trouble communicating go out to a place where there's a lot of people so that their open throat centers would get activated.

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Gate 51 is also about shock, initiating things. The coupling between the 51 and 25 should act as an initiating force, which propels people into taking action out of their own core selves...The whole concept of 'mutation' associated with this channel, is that you can only evolve and grow from one phase to the next, if something pushes you towards it (and your mind will experience it as 'shock'), but it also has to be connected with your soul and core self (=Gate 25 in the G/Identity centre), for it to work as evolution.

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I may be reading too much into this, but I see a connection with the spiritual teacher/student relationship and initiation generally. The examples that come to mind: Rumi and his teacher Shams, Milarepa and Marpa, Carlos Casteneda and his teacher, and me with my teacher, to name a few. In each case, meeting and engaging the teacher was like touching a live wire leading to self-awareness and radical change, although not without great discomfort from ego's point of view.

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For example, I have this with my brother - he has the whole Channel of Judgement (18-58) and I only have Gate 58 (which on top of that is my Personality Sun). He is a living illustration of this channel, always looking for ways to perfect things, always noticing the small inconsistencies and always pushing people to be better (often in a very intrusive way, but he's still very young ). According to Ra, I would feel subdued by his perfectionism and would leave it to him to tell me what I need to correct in myself, and even worse, he would overpower my own definition of joy (Gate 58). In reality, we are both constantly talking about what doesn't work in today's society, what needs to be done better by our generation, why things aren't working well, what a fulfilling life should look like etc. Our parents get exhausted listening to us when we're all together! I believe this is because he defines my whole 18-58 channel, and since I already have Gate 58 I feel it finds an outlet.

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I love these personal examples. They're very illuminating and bring HD alive. I think a great idea for a book would be teaching HD with these kinds of stories from people's lives.

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Yes, I think that must be true, which archetypally probably relates to the polarity between Jupiter and Saturn. An example that comes to mind I've noticed is professional comedians being very, very serious people in their personal lives.

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Great example!

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About this channel, Bunnell talks about what happens when the "perfecting or correcting process" is "made personal." It's either turned inward against oneself or directed at other people as constant fault finding or an overall dissatisfaction with oneself and life in general. I see this in my friend.

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And I see it in my brother. It's a very difficult placement.
Since both you and me have a Virgo SN, which can also manifest as fault finding and anxiety, I think we can sympathise and understand that overt criticism originates in deep internal dissatisfaction and unhappiness.

Though in the case of the 18-58 Channel, this energy appears to be a bit more aggressive and restless.
Or maybe this is just my brother He's a Manifestor after all.

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Anyway, I've been interacting with someone on another thread who also has this gate defined and a Saturn-Pluto square to boot, so I've been contemplating this gate lately. 58-18 seems to reflect the Jupiter-Saturn dyad very well. What's occurring to me about this channel is that the two gates balance each other and that the anecdote for people who do personalize Gate 18 is Gate 58 in order to avoid the pitfalls associated with the former.

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Interesting thought! I'll check the charts of my friends and other family members and see whether anyone just Gate 18 defined.

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I wonder how often a defined Gate 18 shows up along with hard Saturn aspects in the natal chart. I have this and went through a process before I could stand listening to Mozart or the color yellow. Now I love them.

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Another dimension to our interactions No wonder we've both contributed to a 15-page thread on 'perfecting' our understanding of HD and its connection to astrology - we have this channel defined in synastry!

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Ra said something interesting. I hope I'm remembering it right. He suggested that two people who have trouble communicating go out to a place where there's a lot of people so that their open throat centers would get activated.

I'm extrapolating from that idea and thinking maybe that's what a person could do if this channel and excessive or hard Saturn aspects gives them trouble. Or, listening to the right music.

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posted June 17, 2015 03:30 PM            

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I may be reading too much into this, but I see a connection with the spiritual teacher/student relationship and initiation generally. The examples that come to mind: Rumi and his teacher Shams, Milarepa and Marpa, Carlos Casteneda and his teacher, and me with my teacher, to name a few. In each case, meeting and engaging the teacher was like touching a live wire leading to self-awareness and radical change, although not without great discomfort from ego's point of view.

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When I read this I thought that this kind of in-depth analysis of the energy of separate channels, and correlation with examples, would be great for a detailed book on HD - and then in your next paragraph you suggested a book containing personal examples We might be onto something!

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Does anyone in your family or anyone you know have defined 1-8 or 14-2? (btw, if you feel like winding this thread down, I understand.)

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No, but 90% of the people I checked have a defined Gate 14, which connects to my defined Gate 2
Both of my parents have a defined Gate 8, but this doesn't form a channel with me, because both my Gate 1 and 8 are open.

What interests you in these 2 chancels?
I love all Channels and Gates connected to the Identity centre, they are all very significant

posted June 22, 2015 12:39 AM            

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No, but 90% of the people I checked have a defined Gate 14, which connects to my defined Gate 2

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This passage made me think of your Uranus-Saturn in the 11H:

"Channel 14-2 provides the Individual with the resources and the keys needed to bring new directions to both groups [the Collective and the Tribe] by introducing critical new perspectives into the mix so that we can continue to evolve[B], and meet the ever-changing challenges of existence."

This sounds a lot like Uranus-Neptune-Saturn. Uranus-Neptune means major shifts in cultural vision (i.e., revolutions in 20th century physics - relativity theory and quantum physics) and Saturn being the resources or structures (?) for embedding the new vision in reality.

Are any of the people you mentioned who have Gate 14 defined people connected with your aspirations and what you want to do while you're here?

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[B]What interests you in these 2 channels?I love all Channels and Gates connected to the Identity centre, they are all very significant

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The G Center is intriguing because of its mystical element, the "Magnetic Monopole."
14-2 strikes me as "Promethean" because it has to do with the collective evolution of humanity.

1-8, because it's about the contributions of creative individuals. Uranus is involved in both.

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When I read this I thought that this kind of in-depth analysis of the energy of separate channels, and correlation with examples, would be great for a detailed book on HD - and then in your next paragraph you suggested a book containing personal examples We might be onto something!

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Definitely, I'm surprised no one has done it yet.

posted June 22, 2015 10:57 AM            

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The G Center is intriguing because of its mystical element, the "Magnetic Monopole."
14-2 strikes me as "Promethean" because it has to do with the collective evolution of humanity.

1-8, because it's about the contributions of creative individuals. Uranus is involved in both.

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Hi Peony,

If you weren't sure (lost in the threads and such), I have both of these channels defined. I have a boomerang in the following configurations:

Neptune (11-Sag) sextile Pluto (8-Lib) fulcrum Mercury (3-Tau) opposite Uranus (9-Scorpio)

Saturn isn't involved in my aspects but this may just be one type of energy configuration that the channel could 'express' itself through I guess.

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This passage made me think of your Uranus-Saturn in the 11H:

"Channel 14-2 provides the Individual with the resources and the keys needed to bring new directions to both groups [the Collective and the Tribe] by introducing critical new perspectives into the mix so that we can continue to evolve, and meet the ever-changing challenges of existence."

This sounds a lot like Uranus-Neptune-Saturn. Uranus-Neptune means major shifts in cultural vision (i.e., revolutions in 20th century physics - relativity theory and quantum physics) and Saturn being the resources or structures (?) for embedding the new vision in reality.

Are any of the people you mentioned who have Gate 14 defined people connected with your aspirations and what you want to do while you're here?

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Wow! Definitely! Another great catch, peony

My brother has a defined Gate 14, and we both seem to be on a similar mission in life, though via different routes.
His Uranus conjuncts my Sun-Neptune exact, his Jupiter sits opposite my Saturn-Uranus exact, my Jupiter trines his Saturn exact, and his Sun squares my Saturn-Uranus exact.

My new friend I've been telling you about also has a defined Gate 14, and I can definitely see the channel activation manifesting in our interactions. Our very first conversation, after introducing each other, drifted into how we feel about politics, how capitalistic structures are not efficient, and he even had an example of a few places in the world where people live more 'freely' - might sound a bit dry on the outside, but it was one of the most fascinating and inspiring conversations I've ever had You know the synastry there, in particular our Cap stelliums.

2 of my oldest friends also have a defined Gate 14, and we've bonded over alternative ways to live our lives and explore our potential - it's all we talk about. The 2 of them are very different, even though they're born 4 days apart - one is an artist, the other one is business-oriented, but fundamentally both of them feel rebellious against the current status quo. Their Uranus conjuncts my Saturn-Uranus, their Mars squares my Saturn-Uranus, their Sun-Neptune conjuncts my Sun-Neptune, and my Jupiter trines their Saturn.

This is a great find, peony. Looks like my Gate 2 has been very active in attracting inspiring and empowering interactions.

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The G Center is intriguing because of its mystical element, the "Magnetic Monopole."

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Agreed, I love the concept about the "Magnetic Monopole", especially the fact that it is always active, even if the G-centre is undefined.

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1-8, because it's about the contributions of creative individuals. Uranus is involved in both.

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posted June 23, 2015 02:26 PM            

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Hi Peony,

If you weren't sure (lost in the threads and such), I have both of these channels defined. I have a boomerang in the following configurations:

Neptune (11-Sag) sextile Pluto (8-Lib) fulcrum Mercury (3-Tau) opposite Uranus (9-Scorpio)

Saturn isn't involved in my aspects but this may just be one type of energy configuration that the channel could 'express' itself through I guess.

Definitely Uranus is there for creativity and Pluto for evolution?

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Hi SDragon

I understand orbs for yods are no more than three degrees max. But, a Yod with these planets suggests to me penetrating insight (which you've demonstrated in your comments), access to revelation or inspirations from the unconscious (Pluto-Neptune), and creative expression of great originality (Mercury-Uranus).

Taurus in its mystical sense is associated in esoteric astrology with "ajna" or the third eye, and calls to mind the quote: "If thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light." I think Taurus in its more traditional or exoteric expression might be an obstacle because of its rational orientation.

It seems that acquiring or refining one's equipment (i.e., yoga, meditation) would "resolve" the hard angles - the quincunxes - so the yod becomes fully operational. In that case, this yod serves the purposes of your 5/2 profile and the 1-8 and 2-14 channels nicely!

These are just my impressions, I may be wrong. Does any of this resonate?

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My brother has a defined Gate 14, and we both seem to be on a similar mission in life, though via different routes.
His Uranus conjuncts my Sun-Neptune exact, his Jupiter sits opposite my Saturn-Uranus exact, my Jupiter trines his Saturn exact, and his Sun squares my Saturn-Uranus exact.

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SaturnFan, there's definitely a consistency between the Uranian nature of 2-14 and all the Uranus aspects in the synastry.

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My new friend I've been telling you about also has a defined Gate 14, and I can definitely see the channel activation manifesting in our interactions. Our very first conversation, after introducing each other, drifted into how we feel about politics, how capitalistic structures are not efficient, and he even had an example of a few places in the world where people live more 'freely' - might sound a bit dry on the outside, but it was one of the most fascinating and inspiring conversations I've ever had You know the synastry there, in particular our Cap stelliums.

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No, no, it doesn't sound dry at all, on the contrary! What were the places he mentioned where people live more freely?

Thanks for the great feedback.

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Hi SDragon

I understand orbs for yods are no more than three degrees max. But, a Yod with these planets suggests to me penetrating insight (which you've demonstrated in your comments), access to revelation or inspirations from the unconscious (Pluto-Neptune), and creative expression of great originality (Mercury-Uranus).

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Hi, sorry, those were the houses, not the degrees. My Mercury (18 taurus) is almost direct opposite Uranus (18 scorpio) and my other two are 19 degrees and 16 degrees respectively, so definitely within the 3 degree orbs.

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Taurus in its mystical sense is associated in esoteric astrology with "ajna" or the third eye, and calls to mind the quote: "If thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light." I think Taurus in its more traditional or exoteric expression might be an obstacle because of its rational orientation.

It seems that acquiring or refining one's equipment (i.e., yoga, meditation) would "resolve" the hard angles - the quincunxes - so the yod becomes fully operational. In that case, this yod serves the purposes of your 5/2 profile and the 1-8 and 2-14 channels nicely!

These are just my impressions, I may be wrong. Does any of this resonate?

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posted June 27, 2015 06:29 PM            

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Yes, you've pretty much explained my life path and purpose so far I can definitely relate to the acquiring and refinement of one's vehicle. Mercury in Taurus does tend towards the more pragmatic, but I find it gives an outlet for a more slow and methodical thinking process. Considering the third eye, I do believe it has a natural attunement there. I also have a Taurus stellium, so the Sun, Venus and Mars are there as well. I would say Mars in Taurus has been the hardest struggle so far, but it's getting there

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SDragon, thanks for clarifying. Your yod, consisting of all the outer planets, strikes me as uncommon.

Also, I noticed that the description of the 5/2 Profile you linked to from the HD website is different than the one in Bunnell's book. Not contradictory, but different. Here's an excerpt that I think resonates with your yod and defined Channels 1-8 and 14-2:

"You are deeply gifted in an unusual way, and it is very important for you to understand how to engage with life. What you are waiting for is the correct internal call to something revolutionary, something you can lead others to that lies beyond the mundane plane...Unlike 5/1s who universalize a foundation, something they have investigated and studied, you are universalizing your own natural talents and gifts."

btw, What do you think of Parkyn Chetan's book?

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What were the places he mentioned where people live more freely?

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SDragon, thanks for clarifying. Your yod, consisting of all the outer planets, strikes me as uncommon.

Also, I noticed that the description of the 5/2 Profile you linked to from the HD website is different than the one in Bunnell's book. Not contradictory, but different. Here's an excerpt that I think resonates with your yod and defined Channels 1-8 and 14-2:

"You are deeply gifted in an unusual way, and it is very important for you to understand how to engage with life. What you are waiting for is the correct internal call to something revolutionary, something you can lead others to that lies beyond the mundane plane...Unlike 5/1s who universalize a foundation, something they have investigated and studied, you are universalizing your own natural talents and gifts."

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Yep, that quote definitely resonates a lot with my own energy. When I was younger, I couldn't quite understand the need to interact with every individual in a specific manner and just thought I didn't know how to socialize and that I had 'issues'. Now that I'm older, I've learned that I can sense a person's reality or level of consciousness in a sense - and what they need to enhance their soul growth. I'm still fairly young, so I'm very excited about the journey ahead.

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It's sitting on my book shelf library. I treat it as reference material where one can always go back and get the basics of the concept in a sense. It does a very good job in that regards, but as someone with a wide range of interests, it's almost like it's also lacking... as one wants to explore more into the system, it seems to create more questions than it answers if you know what I mean.

posted June 30, 2015 04:24 PM            

I've been having an experience that looks like it relates to this channel where I will think or say things that I don't know where it's coming from. Then, I'm surprised when this is confirmed by the other person. It's rather an odd feeling, like operating in the dark. Is this because although the channel is defined, it's design and not conscious?

Would you say a person who has a defined gate or channel that's conscious is more confident, or am I missing something?

Here's Bunnell: "Your challenge is to simply let go of control, and allow your mind to process its knowing in its own way and timing.."

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I've been having an experience that looks like it relates to this channel where I will think or say things that I don't know where it's coming from. Then, I'm surprised when this is confirmed by the other person. It's rather an odd feeling, like operating in the dark. Is this because although the channel is defined, it's design and not conscious?

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Fascinating! Yes, I am convinced that this is a result of your ever increasing self-awareness, which leads to activation of more and more unconscious traits. 43-23 contains endless capacity for insight, the ability to pull and absorb concepts, feelings, ideas and then put them in precise words, which have profound impact on the other person/ audience. You are already manifesting this energy, it's easy to see simply by looking at your contribution to this forum - what you're experiencing now, I believe, is an 'uncovering' of another layer of the same energy.

You as a Projector, and with your open Centres (especially open G centre!), constantly absorb energy from your environment and people around you, and most of this is unconscious. What you're experiencing with thinking or saying things, without knowing where they came from but being confirmed by the other person, is your 43-23 Channel tapping into all of the unconscious information you have collected, filtering and selecting precisely the thing which needs to be brought to light and then sending it to your consciousness like electricity.

This Channel connects Mind (Head Centre) with Expression (Throat Centre). Both of these are defined in your chart, so you are very much accustomed to be in the constant flow and energy of your own thoughts and in full control of how you articulate them (corresponding with your Virgo SN and feeling comfortable with analysis). This is why this feels so alien to you and as if you are "a trapeze artist without a net" The activation of this channel allows you to peek into how it feels to have an open Head/Ajna centre - however, unlike the open Head/Ajna centre, where the native would pick up on other people's thoughts, in your case you're not detecting/ articulating their thoughts exactly (and thoughts can be superficial and deceiving), but something much deeper, connected to their core and unconscious mind.

It's a very powerful channel, no wonder they call it "Genius to Freak" - depending on your 'audience' and what you pick up about them, they can perceive you as a freak (if they are less self-aware and in denial about unconscious parts of themselves) or a genius, because you're articulating with great insight and precision something which has been boiling under the surface, in their soul.

I read a great quote somewhere about the Mind in Human Design - I think it might have been in one of the books, either Lynda Bunnel's or Karen Curry's. It was something along the lines of "Your mind is for the others. Your inner authority is for you". I think this is especially true for you, because through this channel you are utilising the power of your mind to bring deep, profound truths about "the other" to the surface, in a meaningful way

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Would you say a person who has a defined gate or channel that's conscious is more confident, or am I missing something?

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The person would definitely feel more "at home" with the energy of the channel or gate, yes - and would have probably developed mechanisms to "manifest" it very early in life, so would feel very confident about it, how to channel it, and what impact it has on others.

The red/unconscious channels can feel uncomfortable and foreign at first, when they are brought to consciousness - but only because the conscious mind needs to accustom itself to them, not because they have not been operating under the surface before that. But once you start experimenting with the energy and integrating it consciously, you can achieve the same level of confidence and mastery as with a 'black' channel.

I think this is similar to how the sextile and trine are described in astrology. Trine = energy you can easily access; Sextile = energy you have access to but need to uncover first.

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It's sitting on my book shelf library. I treat it as reference material where one can always go back and get the basics of the concept in a sense. It does a very good job in that regards, but as someone with a wide range of interests, it's almost like it's also lacking... as one wants to explore more into the system, it seems to create more questions than it answers if you know what I mean.

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Care to give an example of a question? I find this system very interesting. The influence of the I Ching is obvious. Not so, Kabbalah. It looks like the only thing that is carried over is structural, that is, the channels connecting the centers are like the "paths" connecting the sephira. So, the claim that HD is a synthesis which includes Kabbalah seems overstated at this point. But, I may be missing something.

As for the I Ching, I'm not sure studying the original would help because HD has its own spin on it. I sat down with someone who studied the I Ching in depth and this is what he told me after listening to me quote from Bunnell's book. Nothing wrong with that, he said, because the I Ching lends itself to interpretation. That is, it's more like poetry than prose.

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How do you find it now that you have another book to compare it to?

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If you mean Parkyn Chetan's book, I don't have it, so nothing to compare Bunnell's book to. Actually, although not a book, I find SaturnFan's commentary very high quality, a lot better than what I've seen on YouTube for that matter, which is all pretty basic.

posted July 02, 2015 09:21 AM            

Thank you for introducing us to this concept! This is pretty amazing.

Mine looks like this:

So, if I understand correctly, I have the following open channels:
* 23 – 43 Structuring --- Individuality (genius to freak)
* 31 – 7 The Alpha --- Leadership for “good” or “bad”
* 5 – 15 Rhythm --- Being in the flow
* 28 – 38 Struggle --- Stubbornness (Stick-to-it-iveness)

For the first two, I found the combined interpretation at the Human Design forum (everything in italics is quoted):

"A mental projector with self-projected authority, 4/6 profile, genius-to-freak (43/21) and The Alpha (7/31). Now, there's a story there!"
1 "Genius-to-freak" is the name of the 43/21 channel. It mans what it says: this channel in a definition means that the person can speak brilliantly, or crazily (or at least, be seen to be either a genius or a crazy person by others). Depending on various things. Including whether the activated gates are conscious or unconscious (black or red).
2 "The Alpha" is the name of the the 7/31 channel. In a design, this channel gives leadership features - leadership for good or for ill.
OK, so far we have a Leader (for good or ill) whose dramatically distinctive voice may be profound or crazy. Uh huh.

5 – 15 Rhythm: this channel acts as a conduit between the sacral and G centre so the life force of the sacral can empower the identity. Through the gate 15 in the G centre with the great ability to accept the immense diversity of all forms in life and the need to adjust their rhythm to the changing circumstances in life (love of humanity) to the gate 5 in the sacral centre which needs the security that everything fallows a universal flow, and has its own habits, daily rhythms and its own tempo.
The 15th gate is also called the gate of the aura, with the strongest outlet of the magnetic monopole! People with this gate hold us together in the illusion of our separateness. Through sharing their magnetism they pull everyone into their own natural rhythm!

28 – 38 Struggle: this is the gate of someone who loves a challenge and when engaged in a cause or project that holds true purpose for them,never gives up.often classed as stubborn they perform truly at their best when their backs are against the wall.if they find their purpose in life they will drive to get as much out of it that they can and in the process will often transform and empower those around them.

This is so me! I'm the energizer bunny, who is kicked down ten times and gets up and back to action with renewed forces every time. Plus I have "alpha" written in red letters all over my forehead.

I first looked at this half an hour ago, so am I missing something interesting in my chart?

posted July 02, 2015 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hello peony

The person would definitely feel more "at home" with the energy of the channel or gate, yes - and would have probably developed mechanisms to "manifest" it very early in life, so would feel very confident about it, how to channel it, and what impact it has on others.

The red/unconscious channels can feel uncomfortable and foreign at first, when they are brought to consciousness - but only because the conscious mind needs to accustom itself to them, not because they have not been operating under the surface before that. But once you start experimenting with the energy and integrating it consciously, you can achieve the same level of confidence and mastery as with a 'black' channel.

I think this is similar to how the sextile and trine are described in astrology. Trine = energy you can easily access; Sextile = energy you have access to but need to uncover first.

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Fabulous explanation/exposition. Thanks, Saturn Fan.