posted July 29, 2015 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Newrise:
Thank you SaturnFan, it does resonate. Now I know Why I feel the way I do, now I know why I am such a lonewolf, and now I have an explanation for not being able to sustain something for a long period of time, it's nice to know that I am not meant to, that's not my job, so it's actually quite a relief. I have spent my life wanting to be a generator, thinking if I could be just like a generator, just go and go, what amazing things I could produce, but alas apparently that's not an option here

What I am still confounded about my chart is that there is a lot of projection energy (line 2 and my channels), what does it mean to have that in a chart?

Can you tell me about the gates? I have at least one open gate in all channels. I have most open gates in the heart area, relatively, anything significant?

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Hey there Newrise

I've been a bit preoccupied personally and had no time and energy to log onto this forum, so apologies for the delay and I hope you still get to see my response.

I'm glad you resonate with the Manifestor energy. It's a truly powerful design, to be a Manifestor - and it's hard to handle too, because it requires a lot of self-awareness and discipline to be able to channel this strong energy in a constructive way. It's so easy for Manifestors to set things in motion, that very often they do it without awareness why and then they are stuck with the consequences. But if they initiate things in alignment with their inner self, then miracles can happen

Projection energy can appear in all types, even Manifestors. It means that for this particular energy, you need to be recognised and "invited" to express it. When you, as a Manifestor, feel resistance in trying to express or initiate certain things, then this means that you are trying to manifest energy with projector undertones. The best way to handle this is to invest your energy in perfecting the energy further. Projector energy pulls people to you and gets them to ask you to intervene, but this only happens once you've mastered it internally. So when you feel the urge to express something in the outer world but it rejects it/ignores it, this means that your inner world still needs to absorb it, study it and beautify it before it's time for the energy to "go outside"

About your Gates. I'll give a brief overview and you if you need any more information or have any questions let me know and I'll tell you more.

White Gates = Open
This is where you receive energy from your environment, and amplify it.

Red Gates = Unconscious
This is where you have constant access to your own energy, and emit it into your environment, but you *might* be unaware of it. You can still access it and master it, but it will need self-awareness and some effort.

Black Gates = Conscious
This is where you have constant access to energy you are aware of, and emit it into your environment. This is what you most easily associate with your identity.

Let me know if you have any questions, or if you're interested in any particular Gate

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Originally posted by Newrise:
This is an excellent link to explore more about open centers. HELPED me accept my open root, solar plexus, and sacral centers - the investigative questions are also very on point that they made me laugh :P
www.liveasyourself.com/open-centers.html

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posted July 29, 2015 04:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Woah! Don't worry at all, thanks so much for the info I really, really appreciate your descriptions. I have an eclectic religion, but I practice magic and this is all so useful for working with energy. I'll definitely read more about it.

I do find that I 'just know' a lot of things (universe-logic). I have known for a while that I 'just know' things that take some people lifetimes to figure out or even start thinking about.. Maybe it's cliche but that's how I've always felt, everyone has stuff they're born knowing and my stuff is mostly spiritual (Moon in the 9th maybe). If you meant 'knowing things' like when someone you love is in a crisis, when something is going to work out or not, what time it is right when you wake up - I get those pretty often too. I have a lot of lucky hunches.

I definitely find it easy to receive others' ideas and thoughts, whether through conversation or telepathically. I've thought I was going crazy at times, but I'm learning to just trust my intuition. I can work off of very vague ideas and vibes, and connect with people who don't speak the same language as me. That's why astrology works so well for me. Lol

The open root makes sense. I am very affected by my environment - it can either suck the life out of me or have me bouncing off the walls. I used to seek out thrills all the time, more so than the average teenager, just to see if I could get away with them

Thanks again

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"This is why they are Archetypes. These people are designed to be Archetypes. of being human. They are pure in their focus to be alive. Like an arrow in the sky their life force shoots by you. It is neither shared with you nor meant to empower you. It is simply alive."

Archetype of aliveness? My name means 'alive' in Greek. Haha!

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posted July 31, 2015 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
This is the first I am learning about this--very cool...not really sure how best to interpret...if anyone can help me interpret, will appreciate it!

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Hello ScorpieScorp Love your username!

So a few basic things:

As a Manifesting Generator, you attract events and people to you. Your aura is very powerful and works like a magnet for "life". Your Sacral authority helps you filter out what is correct or incorrect for you. This manifests as a gut reaction - to every single thing which manifests in your reality, you get a "yes" or "no" gut reaction, and this should be your main guiding force.
Once you step into commitments, relationships, jobs etc. by relying on your Sacral authority, you will be able to explore the full potential of your endless energy and life force.

With your open centres, you "receive" and amplify external energy, coming from the people around you. In particular: thoughts, emotions, intuition, willpower and adrenalin/ pressure. The challenge is not to identify with energy which is not yours. For example, when you feel overwhelmed by a specific emotion, or start overthinking something, this usually coming from outside.

I suggest having a look at your channels:

http://humandesign.com/channel-of-rhythm-15-5
http://humandesign.com/channel-of-the-beat-2-14
http://humandesign.com/channel-of-leadership-31-7

posted July 31, 2015 04:53 AM            

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So, does this mean that even though she's not a Projector, because this is a projector channel, the key to success in expressing it is to wait for the invitation?

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Yes.

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Originally posted by peony:
Noticing her defined Gate 1 and 43, and 2-14 Channel, all of which are in the Individual Circuit Group, these indicate she's a creative personality, someone with unique insight, and listening to the beat of her own drum. So, isn't she an instrument of "mutation" and therefore is it inevitable that she would clash with an establishment structure, in this case, the Catholic Church?

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Absolutely!

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Originally posted by peony:
Or, if she had been aware of her design, could she have accomplished her task without becoming an outcast?

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Fascinating question. I believe the answer is yes, her act of tearing up the picture of the Pope was an embodiment of only one part of her powerful design, so the result for her was extreme and negative. If she had chosen another way, like sending the same message through a song, this enormous intensity would have been channeled in a way which people would be open to and be strongly influenced by. For example, check out this video of her singing about infidelity - it's like nothing I've ever seen or heard, and the style can be described as odd, but her intensity has a platform and so the audience is won over. Also, her singing on stage is already acting out an "invitation", as people have come to hear her sing. So delivering a message though this channel, for her in particular, would always be the best option.

Sinead O'Connor - Troy

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Originally posted by peony:
How about Dane Rudhyar? He's such an important figure in the history of astrology. But if you have someone you'd like to study, be my guest.

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Interesting! Here's his chart:

A Manifestor, who's driven by his Emotional Authority, through not 1, but 2 channels!

Channel of Openness 12-22

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Communication isn’t the forte of Individual circuitry, but Gate 22 has the potential magic of communicating gracefully. Meaning they can bring about mutation through poetry and song and through all kinds of written and musical art. Everything about the individual is that it mutates you by what it says.

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Channel of Transitoriness 35-36

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Over time, gaining all this experience might grant some wisdom of what experiences pay off in terms of value, or it might result in a sense of dejection - that nothing amounts to very much. The creative nature of this channel is definitely NOT personal, but collective, and so it must share what it does with others.

Share what it DOES, not what it thinks.

This is the experiential way, that might require doing things that have never been done before and that may not be easy. But here's what makes it so interesting - the process is shared! The 35-36 doesn't do any of this alone; they take others with them. Explorers would be a good example of this channel.

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Apart from his contribution to astrology, he was also a novel writer and a composer, so he was fully embodying the energy of these 2 channels.

He also has the channel of Struggle 28-38, which I think might have manifested in the early life injury he experienced, leading to disability and him dedicating himself to his art and interests. I have this channel too, and have researched it in depth - its function is to bring mutation through struggle, and every step forward has to be earned. If the energy is not integrated and made conscious, it can lead to severe disasters (like what he experienced at such an early age ), but if it's consciously integrated the individual enjoys challenges and overcoming difficulties. It looks like he fully embodied the positive manifestation of his channel later on.

He has an open Head, Ajna, Identity, Heart and Sacral centre. In particular the open Identity centre, I believe, was key in him having such a significant contribution to astrology. He was able to feel and amplify the core energy from the people around him, and link it/ map it to something "bigger".

What I really like is how he has managed to make his define centres dominant, and use his open centres to "serve" the function of his defined centres. This is exactly how we should all be doing it.

With his defined Root, Spleen and Solar Plexus, he must have been a deeply instinctual, sensitive, even psychic person. His open Head and Ajna, and his open Identity centres, had the potential to steer him away from his nature, by pushing him into overthinking, not trusting his true self (open G centre), identifying with other people's expectations and ideas.
However, he made his defined centres dominant by focusing on music, fiction writing and astrology, and he used his open centres to draw insight and information from his environment.

posted July 31, 2015 05:07 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SaturnFan, I've been meaning to ask you: What about the Manifesting Generator's aura? The Manifester and the Generator have very different auras. Have you come across anything that describes how the Manifesting Generator's aura operates?

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It's the same as the Generator's aura - it pulls life in, like a magnet. This is the main challenge of the Manifesting Generators, because more so than the Generators, they have a natural inclination to initiate - however, they need to wait for their aura to do the work for them.
Once they have pulled the correct circumstances or event to them, then they are empowered to initiate within this area.

Most of my high-school friends are Manifesting Generators, and they are all a brilliant combination between the Generator's endless energy and the Manifestor's inclination to make things happen. Life always works out for them when they wait for something to manifest, which they can respond to.

posted August 01, 2015 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
...her act of tearing up the picture of the Pope was an embodiment of only one part of her powerful design, so the result for her was extreme and negative. If she had chosen another way, like sending the same message through a song, this enormous intensity would have been channeled in a way which people would be open to and be strongly influenced by. For example, check out this video of her singing about infidelity - it's like nothing I've ever seen or heard, and the style can be described as odd, but her intensity has a platform and so the audience is won over. Also, her singing on stage is already acting out an "invitation", as people have come to hear her sing. So delivering a message though this channel, for her in particular, would always be the best option.

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I watched the video. I like that you juxtaposed the two contrasting examples of getting her message. This is a really good way to demonstrate the effectiveness of living according to one's design. I agree, the second was more successful.

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Apart from his contribution to astrology, he was also a novel writer and a composer, so he was fully embodying the energy of these 2 channels.

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This is a good example of a defined 22-12 Channel and defined Solar-Plexus/Throat Centers. O'Connor also had a defined Solar-Plexus and Throat Centers as I imagine many artists, musicians, writers, filmmakers, or orators would. This is something I want to research.

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He has an open Head, Ajna, Identity, Heart and Sacral centre. In particular the open Identity centre, I believe, was key in him having such a significant contribution to astrology. He was able to feel and amplify the core energy from the people around him, and link it/ map it to something "bigger".

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I wonder, would an open Head Center allow a person to tune into transpersonal sources of knowledge, not just from other people?

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With his defined Root, Spleen and Solar Plexus, he must have been a deeply instinctual, sensitive, even psychic person. His open Head and Ajna, and his open Identity centres, had the potential to steer him away from his nature, by pushing him into overthinking, not trusting his true self (open G centre), identifying with other people's expectations and ideas.
However, he made his defined centres dominant by focusing on music, fiction writing and astrology, and he used his open centres to draw insight and information from his environment.

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That's really interesting. Thanks, SaturnFan. Also, I think his defined Gate 43 protected him from being overly influenced by others and to stay true to his vision.

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What a wonderful, wonderful example, Peony! Do you notice anything else in his chart?

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It seems that his defined Gate 43 is linked with him being in the vanguard of a synthesis between astrology and depth psychology. Rudhyar as you may know studied Jungian psychology. He was a pioneer who came before Stephen Arroyo and Liz Greene, who carried the torch in a later generation of astrologers, both of whom I admire.

He also has a defined Gate 55, which I think relates to a conscious spiritual awareness that informs his work and his eventually going beyond humanistic to transpersonal astrology.

Excellent analysis, SaturnFan.

posted August 01, 2015 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
It's the same as the Generator's aura - it pulls life in, like a magnet. This is the main challenge of the Manifesting Generators, because more so than the Generators, they have a natural inclination to initiate - however, they need to wait for their aura to do the work for them.
Once they have pulled the correct circumstances or event to them, then they are empowered to initiate within this area.

Most of my high-school friends are Manifesting Generators, and they are all a brilliant combination between the Generator's endless energy and the Manifestor's inclination to make things happen. Life always works out for them when they wait for something to manifest, which they can respond to.

The Manifestor's aura repels, clears the way - it would cause a lot of trouble for a Generator, who has to "respond" to life. Manifestos are a truly fascinating type - well every type is fascinating, but while most of us are here to trust that life will unfold as it should and present us with the right events and people, Manifestors are the ones who make it happen. A self-aware Manifestor, who is expressing fully the positive potential of their design (i.e. not having fantasies for world domination ), can truly make miracles happen. The rest of us only get to "borrow" some of this energy - when a Projector is invited and enters a situation properly, he/she has manifesting power within this situation, and the same goes for a Manifesting Generator, once he/she enters a situation after having waited for their aura to attract it. But the Manifestors, always being in a state of "initiating", are reserved for the repelling, ball-rolling aura

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Very good, thanks!

posted August 04, 2015 03:22 PM              

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Fascinating! Thank you for sharing Selenite!

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posted August 04, 2015 11:34 PM            

George Lucas, filmmaker, screenwriter, producer, and entrepreneur, is best known for creating the adventure movies, Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Lucas and Spielberg collaborated on Indiana Jones.

Steven Spielberg

George Lucas

It's not surprising that Spielberg and Lucas are friends as well as colleagues, based on their HD charts. Both Spielberg and Lucas have a defined 7-31 "Channel of the 'Alpha'," a design of leadership. A status both have achieved in their field.

Also, each have a defined gate forming the following channels between them:

11-56 "The Channel of Curiosity: A Design of the Searcher"

27-50 "The Channel of Preservation: A Design of Custodianship"

48-16 "The Channel of the Wavelength: A Design of Talent"

10-20 "The Channel of Awakening: A Design of Commitment to Higher Principles."

The two Channels that appear to be most relevant to their professional collaboration are 11-56 and 48-16. (SaturnFan, please correct me if I'm wrong. )

Here's Lynda Bunnell speaking of the gifts of a defined Channel 11-56: "We no longer rely on the ballads of bards and minstrels to keep us informed about world events, yet we still admire the storytellers who can weave a good yarn and generate stimulating social commentary. The receptivity of an audience to the magic of the story, however, is determined by the proper timing of the story's delivery. When these skillful storytellers and teachers follow their Strategy and Authority, they will enjoy sharing their extraordinary gifts while effectively informing, entertaining, and stimulating the rest of us."

Isn't this exactly what these two have accomplished in their work together?

Also, the two of them probably have spent a lot of time bouncing ideas off each other, and having many stimulating conversations.

Channel 48-16 is composed of Gate 48 "The Well - The Gate of Depth," and Gate 16 "Enthusiasm - The Gate of Skills."

It's interesting that Spielberg, a Projector, has a defined Gate 48, which I believe he's brought to bear in films like Schindler's List. Bunnell points out that "More than anything, you want to express and share your depth in order to help others recognize, correct and perfect the world we live in." Although his earlier films were action-adventure movies, he later explored serious subjects having social and historical relevance, i.e., the holocaust, war, and the global slave trade.

Lucas has a defined Gate 16 - the Gate of Skills. Passionate about filmmaking, he'd spent his earlier years learning and perfecting his craft. True to his type as a Manifesting Generator, he founded his own company, Lucasfilm, which provided leadership in developing special effects, computer animation, and sound for film. Lucas has since sold the company to Disney.

Having Gate 16 defined, I wonder if perhaps Lucas recognized Spielberg's depth in Gate 48, thereby also adding that asset of Spielberg's to Lucas's prodigious skills.

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Edit: I went back and looked at everyone's HD charts on the thread as a comparison and no one has these many defined gates in the Throat Center. So, it seems to me Lucas's case is extraordinary.

Seems likely he's an extravert personality type which Spielberg being a Projector and an introvert would help to balance out and that they would compliment each other.

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Thank you for sharing these examples, they are indeed fascinating!

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The two Channels that appear to be most relevant to their professional collaboration are 11-56 and 48-16. (SaturnFan, please correct me if I'm wrong. )

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You are spot on. Such powerful synastry between them!

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Also, the two of them probably have spent a lot of time bouncing ideas off each other, and having many stimulating conversations.

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Definitely. I have a defined Gate 11, and Gate 56 works as immediate, overwhelming inspiration for me. The channel is very creative, both as a definition in 1 person's chart, and in synastry.

Also purely look at the centres, Spielberg has an open Head & Ajna (+ all Gates in his Head Centre are open too), while Lucas has these 2 centres defined - which most probably means that they would often lock into deep, inspiring conversations, even ignoring people around them.

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Channel 48-16 is composed of Gate 48 "The Well - The Gate of Depth," and Gate 16 "Enthusiasm - The Gate of Skills."

It's interesting that Spielberg, a Projector, has a defined Gate 48, which I believe he's brought to bear in films like Schindler's List. Bunnell points out that "More than anything, you want to express and share your depth in order to help others recognize, correct and perfect the world we live in." Although his earlier films were action-adventure movies, he later explored serious subjects having social and historical relevance, i.e., the holocaust, war, and the global slave trade.

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Brilliant analysis! I agree his interest in 'deeper' topics can be attributed to this Gate.

He also has an entirely open Solar Plexus - not only the centre, but all of the Gates are open as well. So he is highly attuned to other people's emotions, which would help him explore events and suffering, which he hasn't experienced personally.

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Originally posted by peony:
Having Gate 16 defined, I wonder if perhaps Lucas recognized Spielberg's depth in Gate 48, thereby also adding that asset of Spielberg's to Lucas's prodigious skills.

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Yes, I'm certain this is the case. I just went through the Channel and Gates description in Bunnell's book and it looks like Spielberg and Lucas embodied a powerful expression of this channel in their synastry, exploring its full potential.

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Lucas has nine defined gates in the Throat Center! The desire or drive to express and act must be enormous. My guess is all these defined gates serves his type as Manifesting Generator very well.

Edit: I went back and looked at everyone's HD charts on the thread as a comparison and no one has these many defined gates in the Throat Center. So, it seems to me Lucas's case is extraordinary.

Seems likely he's an extravert personality type which Spielberg being a Projector and an introvert would help to balance out and that they would compliment each other.

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Wow, I've never seen this in a chart either! He was destined to express himself and his unique talents, it might have felt to him that he had no other choice considering this powerful energy. He has his Sacral + Identity on the one side, and his Head + Ajna on the other both connecting to an almost fully defined Throat Centre (= Manifestation, Expression). Amazing!

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Looks very much like the Jewish Sephiroth

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posted August 19, 2015 03:56 PM            

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Hello Peony,

Thank you for sharing these examples, they are indeed fascinating!

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I thought so too. I'm sure the astrological synastry is interesting as well. I'll take a look at that sometime.

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Wow, I've never seen this in a chart either! He was destined to express himself and his unique talents, it might have felt to him that he had no other choice considering this powerful energy. He has his Sacral + Identity on the one side, and his Head + Ajna on the other both connecting to an almost fully defined Throat Centre (= Manifestation, Expression). Amazing!

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Well, I'll be on the lookout for others, but since you haven't seen it, it must be uncommon.

Lucas also has a defined 43-23 "Genius to Freak" Channel and Spielberg has the inspirational, creative Gate 1. Very interesting!

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As you might expect, I glossed over the Manifestor description and began really paying attention once I got the Generator Section. Most of it felt right - waiting to respond REALLY resonated with what I've experienced in my life. However, when I got to the Manifestor Generator, nearly everything clicked. One thing in particular that stood out to me is the thyroid problems. My thyroid has been under-producing for almost 20 years. It was fine, and then it wasn't. No polyps or cancer or any known cause, it just stopped working. Another thing that was big for me is the creative nature of the MG. I have always been an artist, from the time I could hold anything that makes a mark. As I read more, I realized that everything fit. The only problem was that I could not reconcile my chart with the type. Then, eureka! I figured out how to view the Rave Mandala. After reviewing my chart, it seemed logical and natural to include a few asteroids that are very prominent in my chart, specifically Kaali Lilith and Juno. If Kaali is counted, then gate 8 is activated and my chart becomes a MG instead of G.

I'm sure there are reasons that Ra chose not to include the asteroids and I can see how most people would REALLY fill up a lot of gates if they added tons of asteroids. Most of the objects I added were conjunct a planet so not much in my graph changed, even with the additions. The reason I feel that Kaali and Lilith are important for me, personally, is Kaali is conjunct my chart ruler, Saturn by 4º and there is a Yod pointing directly at BML which is conjunct Pluto by 4º. Leaving these two objects out would seem incomplete.

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I did my body graph and I typed out as a Generator. I've been reading the book Understanding Human Design: The New Science of Astrology by Karen Curry.

As you might expect, I glossed over the Manifestor description and began really paying attention once I got the Generator Section. Most of it felt right - waiting to respond REALLY resonated with what I've experienced in my life. However, when I got to the Manifestor Generator, nearly everything clicked. One thing in particular that stood out to me is the thyroid problems. My thyroid has been under-producing for almost 20 years. It was fine, and then it wasn't. No polyps or cancer or any known cause, it just stopped working. Another thing that was big for me is the creative nature of the MG. I have always been an artist, from the time I could hold anything that makes a mark. As I read more, I realized that everything fit. The only problem was that I could not reconcile my chart with the type. Then, eureka! I figured out how to view the Rave Mandala. After reviewing my chart, it seemed logical and natural to include a few asteroids that are very prominent in my chart, specifically Kaali Lilith and Juno. If Kaali is counted, then gate 8 is activated and my chart becomes a MG instead of G.

I'm sure there are reasons that Ra chose not to include the asteroids and I can see how most people would REALLY fill up a lot of gates if they added tons of asteroids. Most of the objects I added were conjunct a planet so not much in my graph changed, even with the additions. The reason I feel that Kaali and Lilith are important for me, personally, is Kaali is conjunct my chart ruler, Saturn by 4º and there is a Yod pointing directly at BML which is conjunct Pluto by 4º. Leaving these two objects out would seem incomplete.

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Hello karenkellybella!

Very interesting, thank you for sharing!

In my view, Ra's contribution is merely laying out the foundations of Human Design. A system which claims to combine a number of different principles from various schools of thought, is bound to evolve and be enriched through further research. So it makes sense that adding asteroids has resonated more with you. The best test for these things is experience, and if you feel the energy of the asteroid in your HD chart, then it's present.

Secondly, I recommend looking at your defined Channels, which carry a significant amount of energy and the combination between the defined channels is unique and very powerful for every person. Many Manifestors and MGs resonate with the Projector description, because they have 1 Projector channel, and have to respect it's energy and wait "for an invitation" before expressing it, even though in their essence they have manifesting capacity.

posted August 22, 2015 05:25 AM            

Erich Maria Remarque, a German author whose books are mainly focused on the 2 World Wars, and how they impacted people's lives both on the front and away from it. He took part in WWI and was incredibly disgusted by it. When he came back, as a way to process through the traumatic experiences, he wrote the book "All Quiet on the Western Front" which provides a realistic and far from flattering view on the life of the German soldiers during WWI. The book is viewed as a masterpiece and got him world-wide recognition, but it also coincided with Hitler's rise to power, so it was banned and hundreds and hundreds copies were publicly burned in Germany. Remarque was forced to flee his country and never returned.

He had a villa in Switzerland, which he used to write and also to shelter fugitives during WWII. He also spent years in the US, and became an American citizen. He used to fluctuate between his writing in Switzerland, and his dynamic social life in America, where he had a string of affairs with different actresses and models (Marlene Dietrich and Greta Garbo to name a couple). He had a drinking problem and was known to be very handsome and charismatic but also jealous, overbearing and possessive. All of his romantic relationships are marked with a lot of drama. Eventually he married Paulette Goddard and spent the last 2 decades of his life in the Swiss villa with her, writing some of his most impactful and beautiful books, before dying at age 72.

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The first thing that strikes me is his defined Head and Ajna, which seems to be the marker of independent thinkers who more easily find the courage to voice an opinion which does not align with current political trends.
It also explains why he refused to return to Germany, despite his deep love for his country - when he was banned, his books burned, and his name publicly vilified, he felt rejected by his own country and made up his mind to never set foot there again.

Open Solar Plexus, with only 1 single defined Gate - he was deeply attuned to other people's emotions, which is, I believe, what made his books so powerful and impactful.

Channel of Awareness 61-24

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They might find some truth, but they might just as easily find only whatever satisfies them. Or they might go crazy returning over and over to the same unsolvable mystery (24 - Gate of Returning).

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This explains the repeating motifs in his books, always the same, but always approached in a different way, with different insights. When you read a book by Remarque, you always know what the main themes will be, but they're always fascinating to read, each book a completely unique journey.

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He was both widely hated and loved because of his work, respected as a brilliant political critic, but also on a personal level he never left people impartial - he could charm anyone within a few minutes, had an incredible magnetic appeal but was also very destructive in his behaviour and relationships.

His other 3 defined channels are interesting too, but what I find even more fascinating is his Incarnation Cross and Personality Sun gate (which carries 70% of his energy).

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15 is the Gate of Extremes. The purpose of extremes is always to level the playing field, to act as a force that balances things out.

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He used to be torn between his 2 lives - when he was in America, dating actresses, drinking, attending glamorous social events, he used to miss his writing, his Swiss villa by the lake, and felt enormous guilt for not working and neglecting his talent. When he would go to the Swiss villa for a few months to write, he would desperately miss his dynamic American life, and would feel depressed and isolated.
Interestingly, one of the main appeals in his books is how he presents the interplay and balance between opposites, so it looks like his Gate 15 caused him a lot of inner turmoil but also gave him great insight for his writing.

The Right Angle Cross of the Vessel of Love

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Born as the Vessel of Love, you are here to bring people into the flow in a loving way. All four of the gates of your Cross are connected to the G/Identity center and, on a deeper level, connection to the Soul. Love of spirit, love of the flesh, love of the self and love of humanity are the four energies that make up this Cross. With the energy of this Cross, humanity leads the way for you. This is about getting people into the flow of love for themselves, each other and love of humanity.

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Anyone who's read even one book by Remarque would get shivers reading the above description - this is exactly the message he's sending, and this is exactly the impact his books have on his readers.

posted August 23, 2015 02:56 AM            

I wanted to post Remarque's astro chart from Photobucket, but it didn't work, so I'll just make reference to that chart shortly.

First, thank you for bringing the Right Angle Vessel of Love and its four gates to everyone's attention, and all of them being tied to the G center!

Love of spirit [Gate 25], love of the flesh [Gate 46], love of the self [Gate 10] and love of humanity [Gate 15].

Also, I noticed he has a defined Gate 18, which looks to have had a hand in his writings against the war and may account for his heightened critical faculties. Plus with a Cancer Sun and Mars in Taurus, I don't think being a soldier suited him at all.

I wonder if his Moon-Venus conjunction in Leo compensated for a lack of definition in Gate 58 "The Joyous," or he was attracted to people who had the gift of "joie de vivre."

From your description of his being torn between his life in America and Switzerland and other things, I thought he had planets in Gemini. In fact, he had an exact Mercury-Neptune conjunction in Gemini, which is great for a writer and storyteller, as well as Pluto in Gemini. I also understand he worked as a librarian, teacher, journalist, and editor, all typical Gemini occupations. With Mercury-Pluto in Gemini and a Saturn-Pluto opposition, plus a defined Gate 18, he'd probably excel most as a muckraking type of journalist. These aspects also account for returning to the same themes and suggest an obsessive mentality that liked to probe beneath the surface and get to the bottom of things.

I think his personal charm and his attraction to film stars is shown by his Moon-Venus in Leo trine Uranus, and contrasts sharply with his Saturn-Pluto opposition. I think it is this dichotomy astrologically that manifested in two lifestyles, the one in America, and his more introverted, solitary life in Switzerland. (Using Koch houses, Saturn is in the 12H which does reflect his need for solitude, his isolation, and perhaps a tendency to self-concealment.) His destructiveness in relationships is indicated by the square of Moon-Venus to Mars in Taurus.

I also think Saturn in the 11H (Placidus) opposing Pluto accounts for his being vilified in Germany and his tendency to self-judgment and guilt. Saturn in the 11H opposing Pluto in the 4H is definitely a correlation with his being scapegoated in his native country. No wonder he never went back home. But Jupiter in the 9H suggests happier prospects abroad.

posted August 23, 2015 03:04 AM            

Variable: PLL DRR
Type & Profile: Generator 5 / 1
Definition: Single Definition
Inner Authority: Sacral
Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Cycles (53/54 | 42/32)

posted August 26, 2015 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:

Also, I noticed he has a defined Gate 18, which looks to have had a hand in his writings against the war and may account for his heightened critical faculties. Plus with a Cancer Sun and Mars in Taurus, I don't think being a soldier suited him at all.

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Great observation!
And yes, he despised being a soldier, and one of the main motifs is how people who are non-violent by nature, can deal with being put in a position where violence is obligatory.

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Originally posted by peony:
I wonder if his Moon-Venus conjunction in Leo compensated for a lack of definition in Gate 58 "The Joyous," or he was attracted to people who had the gift of "joie de vivre."

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You are spot on about who he was attracted to. He was mostly a melancholic type, judging by descriptions from people who knew him. In his books he focused a lot on romantic love, and the theme is always a joyous woman, living "in the moment", and breaking the depressed protagonist out of his shell, out of the inertia and hopelessness of his life. Also there are no "happily ever after"s in his books, the separations are always very painful, most often by death. So you are very accurate about his Leo Moon-Venus, as well as the contrast with his Saturn-Pluto which you mentioned further down.

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Originally posted by peony:

From your description of his being torn between his life in America and Switzerland and other things, I thought he had planets in Gemini. In fact, he had an exact Mercury-Neptune conjunction in Gemini, which is great for a writer and storyteller, as well as Pluto in Gemini. I also understand he worked as a librarian, teacher, journalist, and editor, all typical Gemini occupations. With Mercury-Pluto in Gemini and a Saturn-Pluto opposition, plus a defined Gate 18, he'd probably excel most as a muckraking type of journalist. These aspects also account for returning to the same themes and suggest an obsessive mentality that liked to probe beneath the surface and get to the bottom of things.

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Fascinating!

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Originally posted by peony:

I think his personal charm and his attraction to film stars is shown by his Moon-Venus in Leo trine Uranus, and contrasts sharply with his Saturn-Pluto opposition. I think it is this dichotomy astrologically that manifested in two lifestyles, the one in America, and his more introverted, solitary life in Switzerland. (Using Koch houses, Saturn is in the 12H which does reflect his need for solitude, his isolation, and perhaps a tendency to self-concealment.) His destructiveness in relationships is indicated by the square of Moon-Venus to Mars in Taurus.

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Also very interesting!
He also had an obsessive fear of death, which he was never able to overcome. Would this be caused by his Saturn-Pluto?

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Originally posted by peony:
I also think Saturn in the 11H (Placidus) opposing Pluto accounts for his being vilified in Germany and his tendency to self-judgment and guilt. Saturn in the 11H opposing Pluto in the 4H is definitely a correlation with his being scapegoated in his native country. No wonder he never went back home. But Jupiter in the 9H suggests happier prospects abroad.

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This whole analysis was amazing, thank you so much Peony!

posted August 26, 2015 11:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Apparently I'm a Generator.

Variable: PLL DRR
Type & Profile: Generator 5 / 1
Definition: Single Definition
Inner Authority: Sacral
Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Cycles (53/54 | 42/32)

I don't understand a thing.

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Hi Rosalind!

The first thing, you have open Head, Ajna and Emotional Centres, so you are constantly absorbing the thoughts and feelings of people around you. Do you notice being overwhelmed by emotions or thoughts/ideas, feeling them as if they're your own, but not knowing where they came from?

Also as a Generator, your Aura is magnetic, constantly pulling people and events towards you. So your strategy for success is to wait to "respond", meaning you should now initiate things but let them come to you which they will inevitably do, due to your powerful aura. Have you found this to be true in your life?

Lastly, this is your defined Channel, a very prominent source of energy you are emitting into your environment. Do you resonate with it?

posted August 26, 2015 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by karenkellybella:
thank you for your reply! I read through all of the channels I have open without the astroids added in and I read the two that *would* be open if they are included. I have them marked differently in the book. I plan to go back to the book again and again to see if the "extra" channels/gates actually resonate with me as much as the standard ones do. It is altogether very interesting! The most important takeaway I've gotten is that things will work out best for me when I am responding to life instead of trying to "make things happen." The rest will take a while to digest - it's a ton of information! Thank you so much for bringing it to my attention!!

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I'm glad you found it useful!