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SaturnFan
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posted May 15, 2015 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Hi SaturnFan. I actually neglected to point out many of the important points of the video. I am going to listen again and and outline it.

I am kind of stuck on these two concepts- Projector and EA. Part of me feels like I need to move on gates and channels and the other stuff you guys are discussing, but I can't seem to... I'm kind of obsessed with my own thoughts. I'll put up my chart. If you have anything to say about it, I'll see if that makes me want to move on or continue digging in my little mine, here.


This is perfectly fine!!! I spent a few months on my type and authority before delving into the Gates and Channels.
It takes a while to internalise all of this information

Please feel free to post your chart and I'll be happy to point out any key items you shouldn't miss

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Human Design Generator Webinar - The Basics

Human Design Manifestor Webinar - The Basics

Human Design Manifesting Generator Webinar - The Basics

Again, I am so sorry. There doesn't seem to be a Reflector video. When I come across one I will put it up.


I edited this post to include Generator. I'm sorry. I thought Generator and Manifesting Generator were the same thing. I haven't really looked at anything other than Projector.

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Here I am


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posted May 15, 2015 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Here I am

So you already know about the defined Solar Plexus.
The defined Heart Centre is brilliant. Since it has a defined channel connecting it to the Solar Plexus, it will be very important for your emotional authority.

In 2 words, the Heart Centre means willpower. You have constant access to will power and can literally accomplish anything you want, even if it's difficult, even if it takes years, even if it seems hopeless.
People with an open Heart Centre can do the same if they are in constant contact with someone with a defined Heart Centre. Otherwise they can have phases when they lose motivation, and blame themselves for it while it's not really their fault.

Your defined Heart Centre will therefore be very inspirational and attractive for people with an open Heart Centre.

This is the channel connecting both centres:

Channel of Community 40-37

It's very much about fairness and equality. I can absolutely sense this in your nature! Since this ties into your Emotional Authority, I guess if you feel a sense of fairness in a situation this helps with achieving emotional clarity and arriving at a decision.

Does this resonate? I'll check the description of this Channel in my book and get back to you tomorrow - this is definitely a very important channel for you.

And I just checked your other channel and literally laughed out loud. This channel explains why you've been postponing to look at it You need to internalise your Projector type and Emotional Authority first into the 'bigger picture' and then you can move on to the other areas.

Channel of Acceptance 17-62

Peony also has a defined Channel of Acceptance. You two have so much in common!

EDIT: Please have a look at what I wrote to Peony in page 7 about the defined Throat centre - this is a great placement for a Projector For any type, really. It has great, great power - you should be fully aware of it, so I suggest researching this centre at some point when you feel like it

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Thanks SaturnFan. I'll sit with this a while.

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posted May 15, 2015 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you SF and peony. I can see these things in my natal chart. Btw, I like Jim a lot

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posted May 15, 2015 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Do you find these accurate?

The line descriptions are brief and too simplistic for my liking, but at least the Gate descriptions are good.


Hey SaturnFan,

I really do find them accurate. They are fundamental aspects of my personality that I've learned to recognize and appreciate through my maturation over the years.

Thought it was about time I shared my chart.

My 1-8 and 2-14 form a strong channel connecting the Throat/Solar Plexus/Sacral centers which I would associate with my strong Pluto influences in my astrological charts.

In regards to love relationships, since I already have 8 centers defined, would other people almost shy away from wanting to become involved because they intuitively sense how strongly defined my centers are?

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posted May 15, 2015 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Peony, and everyone else interested in comparing HD and astrology synastry - this is a good basis of understanding how synastry works in Human Design. It's a transcript of a lecture by the founder and I've found his explanations to be incredibly accurate.

http://humandesigncommunity.com/documents/HOW_WE_CONNECT_Transcript.pdf

I'd be happy to provide personal examples of HD synastry and astrological synastry unless you have examples in mind?

It's a truly fascinating area to explore, I share your enthusiasm!


This book was awesome. Apparently I only have either 8-1 or 9-0 relationships with people ;/

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posted May 15, 2015 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
hello and welcome, deptic

Interesting chart! Defined Head and Ajna centres mean you have great clarity of thought, can be very fixed in your thinking and ideas, and people need to be very convincing in order to influence your opinions.

The tricky part is that your mind will be prone to run the show and take over the decision-making process for you.

With a defined Sacral and Root centres, you should always respond based on your gut feeling. For each thing in life, from how you want your coffee to whether you should take on a job offer, it responds with either yes or no - and this is what you should trust over your mind (which might be prone to over-analysis).

With the rest of your Centres open, you receive a lot of energy from your environment. You'll be open to people's emotional states, sense of purpose and identity, intuition, and willpower. Through your open centres you can magnify this energy, but it is important that you do not identify with it.

Here's a description of your 2 defined channels - does it resonate?

Channel of Abstraction 64-47

Channel of Mutation 3-60

And your profile:

Profile 4/6 Opportunist/Role Model



Thank you Sat!

Sounds about right!

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posted May 15, 2015 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Variable: PRR DRL Type & Profile: Projector 5 / 1 Definition: Single Definition
Inner Authority: Self Projected Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Alignment (27/28 | 19/33)

SaturnFan .. I couldn't find my gates on that site - do you know what category they come under, please?

I'd like to get into this more after reading about thr wait to be invited of projectors as when I thought about this, it really is true. a lot of the time when things went smoothly it wasn't only from having been invited but having things suggested to me, seemed to have the same success I couldn't get when I tried to initiate something of my own. Whenever I did try to make things happen lots of external obstacles occurred and also I'd feel drained.

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posted May 16, 2015 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still trying to puzzle this out. Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere or not?

The following dates are approximate, as the gates change at a different time each day. So the first and last days of each gate may actually belong to the preceding or subsequent gate, depending on the birth time.

Gate 1: November 6-11
Gate 2: May 4-8
Gate 3: April 17-21
Gate 4: August 11-16
Gate 5: December 4-8
Gate 6: September 15-20
Gate 7: August 6-10
Gate 8: May 15-19
Gate 9: November 28-December 3
Gate 10: December 20-25
Gate 11: December 15-19
Gate 12: June 14-18
Gate 13: February 3-7
Gate 14: November 17-22
Gate 15: June 19-24
Gate 16: May 27-June 1
Gate 17: March 24-29
Gate 18: September 27-October 2
Gate 19: January 28-February 2
Gate 20: May 21-26
Gate 21: March 30-April 4
Gate 22: March 8-13
Gate 23: May 9-14
Gate 24: April 28-May 3
Gate 25: March 19-23
Gate 26: December 9-14
Gate 27: April 22-27
Gate 28: October 25-30
Gate 29: August 17-22
Gate 30: February 14-19
Gate 31: July 25-30
Gate 32: October 14-19
Gate 33: July 31-August 5
Gate 34: November 23-27
Gate 35: June 2-7
Gate 36: March 14-18
Gate 37: February 25-March 2
Gate 38: January 1-5
Gate 39: July 1-6
Gate 40: August 29-September 3
Gate 41: January 23-27
Gate 42: April 11-16
Gate 43: November 12-16
Gate 44: October 31-November 5
Gate 45: June 8-13
Gate 46: September 21-26
Gate 47: September 10-14
Gate 48: October 3-7
Gate 49: February 8-13
Gate 50: October 20-24
Gate 51: April 5-10
Gate 52: June 25-30
Gate 53: July 7-12
Gate 54: January 6-11
Gate 55: February 20-24
Gate 56: July 19-24
Gate 57: October 8-13
Gate 58: December 26-31
Gate 59: August 23-28
Gate 60: January 17-22
Gate 61: January 12-16
Gate 62: July 13-18
Gate 63: March 3-7
Gate 64: September 4-9

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Gate 25: March 19-23
Gate 17: March 24-29
Gate 21: March 30-April 4
Gate 51: April 5-10
Gate 42: April 11-16
Gate 3: April 17-21
Gate 27: April 22-27
Gate 24: April 28-May 3
Gate 2: May 4-8
Gate 23: May 9-14
Gate 8: May 15-20
Gate 20: May 21-26
Gate 16: May 27-June 1
Gate 35: June 2-7
Gate 45: June 8-13
Gate 12: June 14-18
Gate 15: June 19-24
Gate 52: June 25-30
Gate 39: July 1-6
Gate 53: July 7-12
Gate 62: July 13-18
Gate 56: July 19-24
Gate 31: July 25-30
Gate 33: July 31-August 5
Gate 7: August 6-10
Gate 4: August 11-16
Gate 29: August 17-22
Gate 59: August 23-28
Gate 40: August 29-September 3
Gate 64: September 4-9
Gate 47: September 10-14
Gate 6: September 15-20
Gate 46: September 21-26
Gate 18: September 27-October 2
Gate 48: October 3-7
Gate 57: October 8-13
Gate 32: October 14-19
Gate 50: October 20-24
Gate 28: October 25-30
Gate 44: October 31-November 5
Gate 1: November 6-11
Gate 43: November 12-16
Gate 14: November 17-22
Gate 34: November 23-27
Gate 9: November 28-December 3
Gate 5: December 4-8
Gate 26: December 9-14
Gate 11: December 15-19
Gate 10: December 20-25
Gate 58: December 26-31
Gate 38: January 1-5
Gate 54: January 6-11
Gate 61: January 12-16
Gate 60: January 17-22
Gate 41: January 23-27
Gate 19: January 28-February 2
Gate 13: February 3-7
Gate 49: February 8-13
Gate 30: February 14-19
Gate 55: February 20-24
Gate 37: February 25-March 2
Gate 63: March 3-7
Gate 22: March 8-13
Gate 36: March 14-18
Gate 25: March 19-23

*The first day of a gate has .1 after the gate number; the second day of a gate has .2, and so on.

*The channels are not governed by any static astrological aspect; in some cases, gates on either end of a channel correspond to trine dates, in other cases, the dates are quincunx, in other cases, they form no aspect. So I'm lost on that one.

*It's intriguing how most of the channels between the Head Center and Ajna correspond to earth sign gates, with one fire and one water. I was guessing that they would be mostly Pisces gates, once I got everything unscrambled, or at least corresponding to solstices/equinoxes/something spooky.

*edited, for errors

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posted May 16, 2015 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Peony,

How can you tell what type is on this chart, it doesnt' specify ...


Bluestskies, here's a better one. Click on his chart to enlarge it.

Jim Carey - Just living his design http://loveyourhumandesign.com/2014/07/20/jim-carey-just-living-his-design/

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posted May 16, 2015 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
WOW!!! This explains so much, Peony.

The first and most important thing, our synastry leaves NO open centres. If you apply your chart onto mine all centres will be coloured except for the Sacral Centre. However, your active Gate 15 connects to my active Gate 5 which also activates the Sacral Centre in our synastry.

This means that our otherwise open centres do not seek to be activated any longer, and the synastry we're forming can be described as self-sufficient.

This can play out in many ways in life. In our case it's a very inspirational and constructive communication (at least for me! ) which we haven't tired of even though we've been in touch on this forum for a few months now. I can talk to how it feels on my side, our interactions are a constant source of inspiration, introspection, finding out about new things in life (the "Descent" book for example!). New topics keep emerging, and emerging. Mind you, we're on separate continents and this connection is still powerful.

If we were to meet face to face and go out for coffee, we would not be able to stop talking for hours, most probably ending up having dinner late into the evening, until everything closes down for the day. If we are out with other people, we will struggle to focus on them, because we lock down each other's open centres for other incoming energy.

I know a married couple with this kind of synastry - since they met they have been so isolated, and even when they're out with other people they just keep talking to each other. This can be a very tricky configuration for romantic synastry, because it can turn even a very open and communicative person into a hermit. Also, if the relationship is toxic, both people would feel it's impossible to separate because of their energies so strongly intertwined.

I find it's great synastry for friendships however! We're a good example

Now, onto a few more specific things.

You see that I not only have an open Head and Throat centres, but I also have no defined Gates in them. This means that my Head and Throat centres cannot be activated through a channel, but only if the other person has these centres defined - as you do; or if they have a Gate in this centre reaching out to an active gate in a neighbouring centre (as is the case with your Sacral Centre having no active gates but being activated by my Gate 5).
This explains how your ideas, concepts and insights always land so powerfully with me. I'll give the "Descent" example again, though there are many others (as your very important insight into my Pluto placements, 12H Venus, your interpretation of my Saturn/Uranus, 11H stellium, you analysis of my generation etc.). Each single thing you've said has resulted in me taking it to heart and researching it in depth. What a great example of an open centre amplifying the energy of a defined centre!

Your Spleen Centre, while open, is very powerful because it has 3 defined Gates. In our synastry, your Spleen is being activated by 3 more Gates, leaving only 1 single open Gate. This explains our intuitive interactions.

Do you find any correlation between this and our astrological synastry?


SaturnFan, this is a wonderful lesson in your ongoing HD class! Borrowing a phrase that Rick Tarnas uses to describe two planets in transit, our HD SYNASTRY, along with the SYNERGY created with everyone who is participating feels like a "mutual activation" that is both thought provoking and inspiring. I find HD ingenious and fascinating, happy to be sharing and learning from and with you. Also, your links on FRACTALS and CHAOS THEORY provided useful cross links with astrology. One of my favorite things is to look at a system through the lens of another because it illumines both in new ways! So, thank you so much for this and for introducing us all to HD!

As for the astrology synastry, I haven't seen your chart, but it seems like major aspects with Uranus, maybe even a DW are involved. The composite would be revealing as well, but they're new to me.

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posted May 16, 2015 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not trying to be antisocial here, I'm just short on time and plunged in where my curiosity led me.

But hi everyone!

I see that the gates roughly correspond to the divisions in The Secret Language system, so I'm wondering if the given meaning for the gates corresponds to the Secret Language readings at all, corroborating the energy description of certain time frames. I say this because I've been studying The Secret Language system for years, trust it, and use it as a sort of "gold standard" against other systems.

Copying what SaturnFan contributed on page 7:

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Gate 1: The Creative - The Gate of Self-Expression
- Creation as primal force. The energy potential to manifest inspiration without limitation -
Center: G (Identity) Quarter: Mutation Theme: Purpose fulfilled through Transformation

Gate 1 is the drive, and deep need, to focus on expressing oneself in unique and creative ways. You are not concerned with being the best, which is a comparative trait of the Collective. You simply want to live out your true creative nature, your authentic individuality. When happily absorbed in doing "your own thing", you are not aware that you are attracting the attention of others. It is while you are being true to your creative process that what you are doing, and how you are doing it, has its greatest impact. As you exemplify new ways of expressing your authentic self, you empower others to consider new perspectives or new ways of being in the world. You may even change their creative direction. Your creativity inspired others by example, and for your impact to be properly felt and appreciated, it must be seen or heard. This requires interaction with the world, and waiting for an invitation. Without Gate 8, what you probably find least attractive is marketing your own work. You will often find yourself drawn to people with Gate 8 because they are better equipped, or in a better position, to promote your work for you.


And, experimenting here:

Gate 1 = November 6-11
(Note: Transformation is a key word for Scorpio.)
The Week of Depth
(scroll down to read)

The focus on authenticity in Gate 1 matches the focus on profundity in the Secret Language reading.

Gate 1: "Your creativity inspired others by example, and for your impact to be properly felt and appreciated, it must be seen or heard. This requires interaction with the world, and waiting for an invitation. Without Gate 8, what you probably find least attractive is marketing your own work."

Secret Language/Week of Depth: "It can be difficult to get them to open up emotionally and to talk about whatever may be bothering them. Even a trusted life partner or dear friend must pass all kinds of roadblocks before getting close to their inner feelings."

So there is a tendency to withdrawal here.

Gate 8 corresponds to May 15-19 mostly overlapping The Week of the Natural
(again, scroll down to see.)

I don't have a reading for Gate 8, for comparison, but the synastry reading for Week of Depth and Week of the Natural does match the interaction described between Gate 1 and Gate 8:

Acceptance Without Reservation

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The deep, almost heavy emotions in this relationship can be lightened and even resolved, leading the partners away from the deeper wells of feeling to the airier realms of thought. The combination’s objectivity and capacity for acceptance goes far in permitting the partners periodically to detach from one another and process whatever may be going on emotionally between them, no matter how profound or difficult. People often ignore the fun-loving side of Week of Depth individuals, emphasizing their sexual expressiveness, seriousness and need for control, but Week of the Natural folks often provide the humor necessary to pry them from their darker moods.

So the Gate 8/Week of the Natural person pries the Gate 1/Week of Depth out of their withdrawn moods.

I'm just experimenting (out loud), not trying to teach.

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posted May 16, 2015 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm

So I have a defined Channel 43-23, Channel of Structuring, aka "Genius to Freak."

In this case the channel corresponds to the Taurus/Scorpio opposition which is my nodal axis.

Gate 43: November 12-16: Secret Language "Week of Charm" (my NN, 20 Scorpio)
Gate 23: May 9-14: Secret Language "Week of The Teacher" and "Week of the Natural" (my SN)

The Secret Language reading for my nodal axis matches the reading for Channel of Structuring.

Nodal axis excerpt: The Way of Influence

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Learning to be more centered and measured in their responses is crucial for these individuals, since any sort of erratic behavior will certainly put others off. Moreover, personal integrity is of the utmost importance. One moral misstep could result in an irreparable loss of faith on the part of their fellows.

The primary area in which life lessons will be learned usually include social or career interactions of an everyday sort. It is here they will learn to tone down their more extreme tendencies. By observing themselves in interaction with others, they will begin to pay closer attention to the examples they set and the effects they have. Learning to take greater care in what they say, they will speak less in generalities and offer information less freely.


Excerpt from Channel of Structuring:

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Anyone who has this channel must learn two very important things: Speech skills and patience. Speech skills to reach the audience and, because this is a projector channel, patience to wait for recognition so they have an audience that is ready to hear what they have to say.

Bold mine

Again, just playing with the information and seeing how the two systems compare.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
On the following link there is a good explanation of each channel, which also contains a brief explanation of the gates:

http://humandesign.com/section-b

They are divided into Integration Channels, Individual Circuit, Tribal Circuit and Collective Circuit.

This book contains a more detailed description of each Gate, it's the book I started with it and found it very accurate. It's a free PDF you can download:

Human Design - Parkyn Chetan

The very best descriptions on Gates however is the the book co-authored by the founder of Human Design - If you ever decide to spend money on Human Design I'd suggest this because it provides detailed information on all the basics. Everything else is someone else's interpretation.

http://www.amazon.com/Human-Design-Definitive-Science-Differentiation/dp/0615552145


SaturnFan, thanks for all the links! I'm working my way through the PDF file and familiarizing myself with the gates and channels. I'm going to buy the book also.

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posted May 17, 2015 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:

Thought it was about time I shared my chart.

My 1-8 and 2-14 form a strong channel connecting the Throat/Solar Plexus/Sacral centers which I would associate with my strong Pluto influences in my astrological charts.

In regards to love relationships, since I already have 8 centers defined, would other people almost shy away from wanting to become involved because they intuitively sense how strongly defined my centers are?


Hey SDragon,

Your chart is indeed intense! You have so much unique energy inside you which you are emitting to the world. It reminds me of you mentioning that the 5/2 mantra "Leave me alone to live out my life" resonated with you. Open centres pull external energy in. With 8 defined centres, you are not in 'need' of external energy in order to have a fulfilling life. But your defined Centres, are a magnet to open Centres, hence the "Leave me alone" bit

Since your Root Centre is the only open one, this is where you are being conditioned by your environment. I'd recommend researching it in order to be aware of any pitfalls there. If you are fully aware of how an open Root Centre can impact you, then you will be in great control of your energy.

While you have 8 defined centres, you still have a lot of open Gates. You will attract external energy through them, and while it will not alter the expression of your defined centres, it will still bring great potential to raise your awareness, and expand on the understanding of your own 'defined' energy.

You already noticed the significance of your triple split definition. People complete your split definition through your open Gates 11, 23, 12, 36 and 44. These Gates will be very significant for you, and if you check the HD charts of key people in your life, you'll most probably notice that they've had some or even all of them defined.

Going back to your Root Centre, you have only 1 defined Gate there, and 8 open ones. This is a very significant centre for you. If someone activates a few gates/ channels there, they can bridge your Solar Plexus and Splenic Centre.

The Identity Centre is also important in your chart. You have only 2 defined Gates there, but they have an incredibly important role in your entire design, as you already pointed out. The rest of them are open, inviting external energy to help you expand your sense of self and purpose. I think this is a beautiful configuration for the Identity centre, because it attracts a lot of energy but it still shields you from losing your sense of self.

About how this can influence your love relationships,
People will definitely sense your intensity, and some of them will shy away from it. The first thing you should keep in mind, is that this isn't personal. Open centres amplify the energy of defined centres, so your energy hitting a few of someone's open centres can make them go into an internal overdrive when they are around you.
How they handle it, is their problem entirely. Your design is such, that it is supposed to heavily influence other people.
If they shy away from you, then they have a lot of internal conditioning to sort out anyway.

A self-aware partner however, could amplify your energy in many, many positive ways. They wouldn't have to be aware of Human Design per se, but aware that when they are around you they have an influx of thoughts, ideas, sense of purpose, emotions, energy (depending on their own open centres), and they enjoy this energising electrical connection. Open centres are always attracted to their corresponding defined centre, so your design is indeed very attractive. It depends on the other person how will they internalise and manifest the energy they receive from you. If they are aware that these surges of energy are coming from you, and they consciously act on them in a positive, creative way, then you would be fulfilling the highest expression of Human Design synastry.

I hope I'm making sense. My main point is, your 8 defined centres are not a bad omen romantically. They just mean you impact people strongly, and your energy might filter out 'the strong ones' without you consciously having to

Also, since you already have a lot of open Gates in your defined centres, they will be attracting other people's defined Gates as well. Your blessing here is, that this energy will most likely not alter your internal balance. Other people's energy will however expand your awareness of which ever centre it touches through a defined Gate.

Also, 8-1 and 9-0 synastry pretty much ensures that neither person in the couple will feel the need to 'step out' of the relationship to get something they feel is missing. Since you have strong Pluto influence, I imagine you value fidelity and loyalty - your HD chart almost guarantees it

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posted May 17, 2015 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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SaturnFan, thanks for all the links! I'm working my way through the PDF file and familiarizing myself with the gates and channels. I'm going to buy the book also.


Thank you SaturnFan & Peony. I missed this before and didn't want to get too far into this yet but those links are very clear and helpful.

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Variable: PRR DRL Type & Profile: Projector 5 / 1 Definition: Single Definition
Inner Authority: Self Projected Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Alignment (27/28 | 19/33)

SaturnFan .. I couldn't find my gates on that site - do you know what category they come under, please?

I'd like to get into this more after reading about thr wait to be invited of projectors as when I thought about this, it really is true. a lot of the time when things went smoothly it wasn't only from having been invited but having things suggested to me, seemed to have the same success I couldn't get when I tried to initiate something of my own. Whenever I did try to make things happen lots of external obstacles occurred and also I'd feel drained.


Hello florence Another fellow Projector!

It's always great to compare experiences - this is the best test of whether a system is accurate. The irony with our Projector type is that we literally are supposed to chill, do whatever we find enjoyable and inspirational, and life will present us with invitations. It sound easy and almost like a fairytale, yet as we know, it is such a difficult thing to do.

About your Gates, I recommend starting off with your defined Channels first:

Channel of Inspiration 8-1

Channel of Curiosity

And then check the description of Gates 27 (your Personality Sun) and 19 (your Design Sun) in this section here.

Channel 27-50

Channel 19-49

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posted May 17, 2015 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,

Your approach to this system is truly fascinating. I love how you are making a connection to astrological placements, especially the Nodal Axis! After I finish replying to this thread I'm going to research my Nodal Axis in a Human Design context.

What you are describing in terms of Gates activation in specific days/times is the Sun activating these Gates in the Human Design Mandala (illustration below). In the span of 1 year, the Sun will activate each Gate.

The planets, and the Moon, work in the same way. So when you pull your HD chart you get 2 columns (red and black) with Gate numbers against a planet - this shows which Gate and which line was activated by the planet in your chart.

I should just mention 1 thing, as we haven't covered it so far on this thread.

The black column (and Gates coloured in black in the HD chart) represent "conscious personality' and show what was activated at the time of birth.

The red column (and Gates coloured in red in the HD chart) represent the 'unconscious' or 'design', and show what was activated at the time the soul entered the body.
According to Human Design this happens approximately 3 months before birth - the date is usually listed in the HD chart near the red column or against an entry 'Design Date".

Faith, thank you so much for your input - you've made this an even more fascinating topic for me that it already was!

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Hi, Saturn Fan. I've been looking into my Human Design chart over the past few days. I have a decent understanding of my defined/undefined centers, gates, and channels now, however, I don't believe I've tied them all together well enough to completely grasp the "big picture". Would you take a look at my chart and elaborate on anything significant about it?

Type: Pure Manifesting Generator
Profile: 5/1 - Heretical Investigator
Definition: Single
Incarnation Cross: Left Angle Cross of Refinement 1
Inner Authority: Sacral

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Originally posted by peony:
SaturnFan, this is a wonderful lesson in your ongoing HD class! Borrowing a phrase that Rick Tarnas uses to describe two planets in transit, our HD SYNASTRY, along with the SYNERGY created with everyone who is participating feels like a "mutual activation" that is both thought provoking and inspiring. I find HD ingenious and fascinating, happy to be sharing and learning from and with you. Also, your links on FRACTALS and CHAOS THEORY provided useful cross links with astrology. One of my favorite things is to look at a system through the lens of another because it illumines both in new ways! So, thank you so much for this and for introducing us all to HD!

As for the astrology synastry, I haven't seen your chart, but it seems like major aspects with Uranus, maybe even a DW are involved. The composite would be revealing as well, but they're new to me.


Thank you Peony, I'm so happy you're finding this thread as illuminating as I'm finding it. My understanding of Human Design was based on theory and observation, so now when I'm in discussion with so many like-minded people who all contribute with their unique perspectives, it's like I'm re-discovering it all over again Mutual activation is a brilliant description for it!

This is my astrological chart - you mentioned earlier in this thread your NN was at 29 Pisces. Mine is at 26, so they conjunct not only by sign, but in a 2.5 degree orb. I think this alone explains our fascination with and discussions about all these concepts (=Virgo SN) about the human soul, psyche and spiritual experience (=Pisces NN)

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posted May 17, 2015 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Free Leon:
Hi, Saturn Fan. I've been looking into my Human Design chart over the past few days. I have a decent understanding of my defined/undefined centers, gates, and channels now, however, I don't believe I've tied them all together well enough to completely grasp the "big picture". Would you take a look at my chart and elaborate on anything significant about it?

Hello Free Lion

The first thing, you have a single definition. So apt that you ask about the 'big picture', because this is exactly how your centres connect. Each defined centre is connected with the other defined centres through a Channel. This means that your defined energy flows uninterrupted.

I have a split definition, and energetically need people to 'bridge' my separated defined centres either through a gate or a channel. If this need is unconscious, it can get me (and anyone else with split definition) in big trouble You don't have this problem, you are already 'whole'. There is no part in your individuality which is separated energetically from the rest.

However, all of your channels are red (= unconscious), apart from Channel 57-34 which has Gate 34 both red and black (meaning, a part of its manifestation is conscious for you), and Channel 25-51 with a black-and-red Gate 51. It is great that you have started with researching your Channels (this is your Gate 57 of powerful intuition guiding you), because once you bring their potential into your consciousness you'll know how your energy connects and expresses itself. This is such a powerful line connecting Manifestation to Identity to Life-force to Adrenalin. Combined with your defined Splenic Centre (intuition) and Heart Centre (willpower), your defined energy is very powerful and focused.

Since you've read about open centres, you are already aware that you are inviting other people's thoughts and emotions energetically. This can confuse you into overthinking things and feeling doubt (i.e. "Is that really the right thing to do, when this, and this, and this, and this can go wrong?"). You should use your open Head, Ajna and Solar Plexus centres as a source of inspiration and awareness of others.

But as an internal guiding force, you are already well equipped and do not need external energy. Your Sacral responds with brief yes or no to anything in your life, and this is what you should trust. Your defined Spleen is constantly aware of the here and now. Your Identity Centre already has a sense of purpose and direction, supported by your defined Heart Centre which provides constant willpower and perseverance even in challenging times. And these centres are all connected to each other - so you should always trust your instincts, even if the mind has doubts or is coming up with alternatives.

A good way to look at it - your mind is here to guide others, your authority (gut instinct) is here to guide you.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hello florence Another fellow Projector!

It's always great to compare experiences - this is the best test of whether a system is accurate. The irony with our Projector type is that we literally are supposed to chill, do whatever we find enjoyable and inspirational, and life will present us with invitations. It sound easy and almost like a fairytale, yet as we know, it is such a difficult thing to do.

About your Gates, I recommend starting off with your defined Channels first:

Channel of Inspiration 8-1

Channel of Curiosity

And then check the description of Gates 27 (your Personality Sun) and 19 (your Design Sun) in this section here.

Channel 27-50

Channel 19-49


Hello

And thank you, thank you for the gate info. I had trouble working that out.

I'm very glad to hear that we are supposed to do what we enjoy as the last few years I've found I can't do things I don't enjoy. I was worrying a bit that actually feeling impelled to do what I enjoy was a fear of doing things I don't and therefore unhealthy. Although not completely relaxed about this, I have incorporated into my plans things which help me relax (after briefly reading up on my profile last year). So for instance, if I am pursuing a niche idea/interest, I've got diluted forms of this on the go that are more safe but still enjoy just so I can not feel guilt about the former & operate more passively

Just recalled that once was working in customer service and we also had to try sell things to (disgruntled already) customers. Since, I'm not a selling driven person I decided I'd be no good at this and why waste effort trying to be outgoing etc so I'd try and mention the product in as unforthcoming, disinterested, garbled manner as possible (as if I didn't want to sell the product perhaps because I wanted them all for myself!!! ) this actially got people asking me about it themselves so I didn't have to do that driven bit and I was convinced I discovered some unknown selling method. But perhaps it was that I was operating this projector strategy. Also, the things that I sell on eBay are weirdly the things with very little and poor descriptions - things I don't think will do well so am both relaxed about and putting out this obscured energy. Makes me think of the dark windows it described under my profile that people can't see into and how to use that.

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Faith,

Your approach to this system is truly fascinating. I love how you are making a connection to astrological placements, especially the Nodal Axis! After I finish replying to this thread I'm going to research my Nodal Axis in a Human Design context.

What you are describing in terms of Gates activation in specific days/times is the Sun activating these Gates in the Human Design Mandala (illustration below). In the span of 1 year, the Sun will activate each Gate.

The planets, and the Moon, work in the same way. So when you pull your HD chart you get 2 columns (red and black) with Gate numbers against a planet - this shows which Gate and which line was activated by the planet in your chart.

I should just mention 1 thing, as we haven't covered it so far on this thread.

The black column (and Gates coloured in black in the HD chart) represent "conscious personality' and show what was activated at the time of birth.

The red column (and Gates coloured in red in the HD chart) represent the 'unconscious' or 'design', and show what was activated at the time the soul entered the body.
According to Human Design this happens approximately 3 months before birth - the date is usually listed in the HD chart near the red column or against an entry 'Design Date".

Faith, thank you so much for your input - you've made this an even more fascinating topic for me that it already was!


Wow, this chart is stunning!

I've just realized what makes HD so unique and powerful (or uniquely powerful lol) is the chakra/center component. I don't know of ANY OTHER SYSTEM, including ASTROLOGY !!!, that integrates our unique and individual spiritual anatomy into its system. This is a unique strength of HD, which I believe can provide further insights that can illuminate the astrology chart in more precise ways for the individual. That's what I've noticed at least at this preliminary stage when looking at Yellow Gerbera's Pluto in relation to the HD chart. Wow, my Ajna is on fire!

SaturnFan, I want to check the transits when HD was channeled (I'm not sure that's the right word) to the founder. I know the BIG CYCLE was Uranus-Neptune. During that world transit (1985-2000) a lot of material was being channeled from other dimensions. Collectively people were thirsty for spiritual revelation and knowledge.

Uranus equates with Prometheus, the Awakener in mythology, but the conjunction with Neptune indicates that the world at that time was permeated by the archetype of a spiritual Prometheus. Therefore, the impulse toward spiritual awakening is felt globally and the flood of material comes in to meet that need. Also, HD was revealed to the founder during this cycle.

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