posted May 10, 2015 02:12 PM              

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Originally posted by peony:
Venus, thanks for linking the astrology. I'm interested in that too. Can you expand on this? A concrete example would be helpful.

I find the MO for Emotional Authority to be true for me. I've found repeatedly that I will hesitate to make a decision or do something and then later find out it was the right decision to wait. It seems to me there is a subconscious knowing not to act. Also, in major things, when I feel excited about something, I trust it to guide my decision because whatever "it" is resonates with my being.

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ok! I really want to, and I want to do a good job, so I'm going to take my time. I'm going to wait just a bit until my ability to communicate my understanding feels right and complete. You can understand as an EA.

posted May 10, 2015 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hey Peony and Venus - just letting you know that I'll be back tomorrow as I'm travelling right now. I'm very happy that a discussion around being a projector has developed! I'll reply with more info from my books and some personal observations when I'm back. See you tomorrow!

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Looking forward to it! Yes, two Projectors with Emotional Authority talking. lol

posted May 10, 2015 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
ok! I really want to, and I want to do a good job, so I'm going to take my time. I'm going to wait just a bit until my ability to communicate my understanding feels right and complete. You can understand as an EA.

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Perfectly!

posted May 10, 2015 08:18 PM              

I had to resist my urge to just answer you as quickly as possible before I started working, or to answer while I was working, or even answer now (even though I have had lots of time to think, and I know what I want to share). I am still kind of running around, like I usually am, and that is a big part of why I rush my answers and don't let them fully develop. I am determined to change. I have to wait just a bit longer, as I am on my way out of the house. I could answer but it would be rushed.

posted May 11, 2015 12:52 AM              

Saturn
sextile Cancer Venus in 11
trine Taurus Moon in 10
square Gemini Mars in 11
square Sagittarius Neptune in 5

I intentionally waited to say that Saturn is in Virgo in the 2nd house. I'm not ready for that layer yet. I just know it's Saturn that works with me as an Emotional Authority. I strongly believe other Emotional Authorities will find the same.

This man Human Design Authority: Emotional describes what the Emotional Authority must do to connect with his emotional body. The words he uses to describe the Emotional Authority who is working with his design and is connected with his emotional body are; heavy, slow, weight(y). In the presence of the this type of Emotional Authority (working within his design and not letting others interfere with the process) one might feel the pull of gravity, and the slowing of time. One will feel the gravity of waiting. This is the "wait, and hold back" energy that gives the emotional process the time it needs to bring the Emotional Authority to the truth. I instantly hear Saturn, and think of what Saturn is doing in my chart.

Saturn is squaring my Gemini Mars in 11. So a Saturn square to Mars looks like I have trouble being assertive, I get frustrated, things like that. Well obviously Gemini Mars is not going to want to play by the Emotional Authority rules of engagement. Gem Mars wants to think fast, act fast, move, move, move. Mars doesn't get frustrated by Saturn. Mars get frustrated when he doesn't play by the rules that bring success to the Emotional Authority Projector. Saturn is there as a positive, to help Mars, either by providing a channel or by modifying Mars' actions. It's a square. Mars' urges are strong and accepting the influence of Saturn hurts, but brings rewards. Non-compliance is illusory freedom.

There's the Saturn square to Sagittarius Neptune in 5. There are many things to be seen here, but this goes to the spirit level. I won't discuss it, but I'm sure you can just imagine how Sagittarius Neptune in 5 might struggle to work within the structure of my design, or even work against it.

And then see Saturn trine Moon in Taurus. Taurus is a grounded Moon (the emotions are deep, but as a Taurus I know how to be still (wait, and not act) while the emotions are being processed. Saturn is there to support that Moon. The Moon wants to be steady and work within the structure of my design, but it is opposed by Uranus (a good thing, but a difficult thing), and squared by a Asc/Jup/Merc conjunction.

Saturn sextiles Cancer Venus in 11. That Venus is a self-protective reserved Venus until she is sure. She is happy to wait and to work within the structure of my design, but she receives a square from Pluto (another good, but difficult thing). Venus needs Pluto's lessons, like the Moon needs Uranus' lessons. This exposure almost cultures these receptive planets, expanding their capacity to absorb and understand, but they need steadying, and Saturn is there to provide it. Venus in Cancer, and Moon in Taurus only need a gentle touch unlike Gemini Mars and Sagittarius Neptune.

"You are here to be a perfected frequency in space and that frequency is not to be messed with by anyone including your own mind"

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This is what I mean when I say, "I think that the Emotional Authority can look to Saturn in their chart, and focus on developing its energy. Saturn blesses the chart of the Emotional Authority, and challenges to Saturn should be checked"

posted May 11, 2015 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SaturnFan, when you have time, that would be awesome! It may also help to clarify where HD and astrology's strengths dovetail and where they diverge in their respective capacities for insight and understanding. This could be very useful in utilizing these systems in a precise way.

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I'm very intrigued and excited by this! Will research and get back to you after I respond to the Projector discussion

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Originally posted by peony:
For example, in my opinion, an astrological chart cannot and does not reveal the soul's level of evolution and therefore whether a person is likely to manifest the higher vibration of a sign, configuration, or planetary energy in their chart or not. I'm wondering if HD may have a clue or even a key to this question.

Another burning question for me is something that Venus brought up.

In astrology, it's my understanding that a person who has strong connections between inner and outer planets, is going to have a more transpersonal orientation than people who don't.

What would be the indicators according to HD, besides the Left Angle profiles?

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posted May 11, 2015 09:03 AM            

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HD is spot on about permeability of the auric field! I remember getting on a bus once. Two people sitting nearby were engaged in an intense argument. Just walking through the space between them made me very uncomfortable.

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I strongly recommend this video, it explains how the 'aura' differs between types

posted May 11, 2015 09:53 AM            

Let me just say I'm thrilled you are also Projectors and by figuring out our complex energy type I think all three of us will gain great insight!

Here is what I've learned through researching our type last year.

First of all, the difference between Projectors and Reflectors
A Projector is about the 'other' - our aura probes one person at a time, and very deeply. We can still take in our entire environment, but this can be confusing. Generally we function best in one-to-one interactions when we can take in the other person's energy.
A Reflector is about their whole community. They are supposed to take in their full environment and reflect it back to them. Both types are great guides, but while a Projector is fascinated by individuals, human psychology, inner motivation and unconscious patterns, a Reflector is more about larger groups of people.

Also a Reflector's job is to reflect. Taking action on the energy they receive is not 'obligatory'. Projectors on the other hand are here to 'fix' things. We are very aware of what is not working in our environment and other people's lives, and every often we find it hard waiting to be 'asked' because we usually have the perfect fix or advice in our minds and see no point in waiting to share it. Since we immediately gain a very deep understanding of a person's energetic field, we can always provide very unique and specific guidance. We do not have a 'one-size-fits-all' mentality because we know and sense with our auras that each person is unique.

When we are relaxed in our energy, do not try to initiate things or intervene and 'let the aura talk' it emits a message "Ask me anything". Projectors who relax and truly wait, soon find that they can't get rid of people and questions. I actually tested this last year in a workshop immediately after I had spent a couple of days reading about the Projector aura. Usually I actively network with people but then, during the first break, I just grabbed a coffee, sat in a chair away from the others and just started doing my own thing and enjoying myself (in this case, reading a journal). Within 2 minutes I had people come asking me what did I think of the workshop so far, sharing their observations and so on. More than half of the group had moved over to my spot before the break was over.

Experimenting with this energy is incredible You are both very self-aware and while new to the system, you have already embraced your nature as Projectors (being aware of other people's energy, not pushing things and so on), but in case you have never tried it I truly recommend trying this experiment for fun: in a group setting, instead of initiating or encouraging a conversation with anyone, just keep quiet and observe people - then the people who turn to you, and the topics they choose to bring to you, will be of much better quality in comparison to a scenario when you seek them out yourselves. A Projector who sits quietly and waits to be approached, is an actual magnet.

Which brings me to the name "Projector". Since our aura (when allowed to do the talking) pulls people towards us and encourages them to ask questions or invite us to jobs, relationships, etc, people project a lot of qualities upon us. Very often they sense the potential and invite us to a specific job or role which they think we will do well, but it is not well matched for our energetic type. Therefore, being asked or invited, does not mean it is correct for us - this is where our Inner Authority should be used as a compass.

In short, 'projections' in this case is people's interpretation of our abilities and how they meet their needs.

This is why "being recognised' is of vital importance. When a person praises a quality or characteristic you don't have, they haven't recognised you. If they specifically name traits you do posses, then they have recognised you. Self-knowledge is therefore very important for us - projectors usually thrive on recognition, and for the unaware Projectors empty compliments can feel as recognition as well.

posted May 11, 2015 10:11 AM            

Thanks for introducing us to this system and talking us through it. In some ways, I'm intrigued against my will (as I don't want to have to pay for anything and my sun is square the founder's, and I feel it) but I am still fascinated by this whole puzzle.

My HD chart:

Sacral Authority - Pure Generator 1/3 -Triple Split Definition
Incarnation Cross: Right Angle Cross of Penetration (54/53 | 57/51)

Some feedback on my defined channels:

Channel of Rhythm, 15-5:

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People with the 15-5 live in their own timing. You have an appointment to meet a 15-5 at 6 pm? They show up when their own internal sense of time tells them to show. That could be at 5pm, at 7pm or not all. Now they aren’t just showing up at an odd time because they want to show up at an odd time.

The reason they do this because they have a sense of what the right time really is for them. And they share that sense of time with everybody else. People with the 5 -15 are very influential in bringing others into their own timing. This can often work to the benefit of others in subtle ways.

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I try to be on time for propriety's sake, and no, I don't notice myself being influential in this capacity.

I have wondered if I am more receptive to astrological phenomena than others are, though, as I've reacted quite dramatically to transits, before I even knew how to read charts. This sensitivity might contribute to a sense of kairos. And I can be quite impulsive and forceful, wanting to act on strange little hunches.

Best I can determine, the 15 is my Mars, and the 5 is my Neptune, so this channel corresponds to my natal Mars-Neptune opposition.

ETA: Or it reflects that Mars was trine my natal Neptune 88 days before I was born? Not sure.

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Channel of Struggle, 28-38:

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In the Individual Circuitry, the 28 - 38 is designed to find meaning in life, no matter how much they have to struggle in that process.

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Yes.

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Channel of Structuring, 43-23:

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The channel is subtitled "Genius to Freak" implying a great range of possible insights and expressions. Just because a person expresses something is no guarantee that they have expressed it intelligibly. Often the freak appellation is the result of poor communication rather than faulty insight. When the expression of those with this channel is grasped by others successfully they are considered geniuses, and if not understood, they seem like freaks.

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Yes!

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I still have a lot of questions, but will research. Thanks again.

posted May 11, 2015 10:13 AM            

Anyone with a defined Solar Plexus has Emotional Authority - it's so powerful that if this centre is defined in your chart, it overwrites all other defined centres and becomes your authority.

According to Human Design we developed into 9-centre beings recently with the Solar Plexus being the latest centre to emerge. A defined Solar Plexus operates by emitting 'waves' into the environment. Therefore in order to use it correct as an authority, you need to 'ride out' the wave, and wait for emotional clarity.

By comparison, my Authority is the Splenic Centre, and it operates in the opposite way. I can only ever decide in the 'now'. The longer the wait and mull it over, the more I confuse myself. If I know I'll need to decide something on Wednesday, I do not commit to any decisions until the moment comes to state or take my decision and then I just 'know' what it is. The Spleen is the oldest centre and is based entirely on survival. It doesn't need to explain 'why' it just knows and wants you to take action. It's the centre which dictates the 'flight or fight' response. According to Human Design, humanity has entered an evolution stage where it should be moving away from this type of response to life.

As more sophisticated beings, we should make strategic thought-out decisions. We should be basing these decisions on clarity, on complete understanding where we are coming from and where we are headed. A defined Solar Plexus is doing exactly this.

From what I've read on EA, humanity is slowly transitioning to this type of authority, and with every generation the percentage of people with defined Solar Plexus will keep increasing. It's the most sophisticated way to make a decision.

posted May 11, 2015 10:26 AM            

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Can someone help me understand mine?

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Wow, impressive chart! With only your Sacral and Splenic centres defined, you are a very intuitive person who feels happiest when living 'in the now'. Your best decisions in life happen when you trust your instinct in the moment and whether it tells you 'yes' or 'no'.

I love Gate 57, because it carries amazing, piercing intuition. The 2 people I know with a defined Gate 57 alway just know what is happening, even sensing things far away from them, often having prophetic dreams. You have the whole channel (Gate 57 connecting with Gate 34), so this energy is amplified.

With all of the rest centres open, you are constantly receiving energy from the people around you. Their thoughts, feelings, identity. This adds strength to your intuition, because you can truly tune into people's thoughts and feelings if you are aware enough. The challenge is to learn not to identify with the external energy you receive through your open centres. Then you can recognise it as not-your-own and raise your awareness of the people around you.

posted May 11, 2015 10:42 AM            

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SaturnFan,

Thanks for introducing us to this system and talking us through it. In some ways, I'm intrigued against my will (as I don't want to have to pay for anything and my sun is square the founder's, and I feel it) but I am still fascinated by this whole puzzle.

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I don't like him either, he comes off as very obnoxious to me. Even his manner of talking irritates me. Now that you mentioned it, I'll check my synastry with him and see what is bugging me so much

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Originally posted by Faith:
I have wondered if I am more receptive to astrological phenomena than others are, though, as I've reacted quite dramatically to transits, before I even knew how to read charts. This sensitivity might contribute to a sense of kairos. And I can be quite impulsive and forceful, wanting to act on strange little hunches.

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With your Splenic centre defined (the triangle on the bottom left, you are a very intuitive person and acting on hunches is recommended. The Spleen has immediate awareness of the here and now and tells you what to do next, without wasting time to explain itself. You also have a defined Gate 57, so you are deeply intuitive when you tune in to its energy. You can detect currents from any spot in the world, and as you say you are also very sensitive to planetary transits. It's always great to see this Gate in action and how it manifests Your whole Splenic centre is incredibly active, with only 2 open Gates and the rest of them defined. Amazing access to various kinds of intuition!

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In the Individual Circuitry, the 28 - 38 is designed to find meaning in life, no matter how much they have to struggle in that process.

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I also have this one, and I love it For us, struggle is not even a bad thing. If things happen too easily, answers too quickly, satisfaction and happiness too early, we get profoundly bored. When the energy of this channel is manifested positively, difficulties don't bring us down but are seen as challenges to overcome, even a game to play. With this channel, things happen slowly, but the results are brilliant. It reminds me of Saturn!

The 43-23 channel is another brilliant one You have great placements in your HD chart!

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I still have a lot of questions, but will research. Thanks again.

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posted May 11, 2015 12:00 PM            

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hi Faith, I'm very happy you joined this discussion!

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Thank you for the warm welcome.

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The 2 people I know with a defined Gate 57 always just know what is happening, even sensing things far away from them, often having prophetic dreams.

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Yes, I have prophetic dreams. In one case, I even gave my husband a description of a national crisis that was about to happen, two days before it happened. Usually it's not that dramatic, though.

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From what I've read on EA, humanity is slowly transitioning to this type of authority, and with every generation the percentage of people with defined Solar Plexus will keep increasing. It's the most sophisticated way to make a decision.

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I was wondering about the fact that only one out of the eight people in the family I was born into have a defined solar plexus, yet most of my children have a defined solar plexus.

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Your whole Splenic centre is incredibly active, with only 2 open Gates and the rest of them defined. Amazing access to various kinds of intuition!

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I haven't really developed any latent abilities I might have. But I've been told by energy healers that I am especially vulnerable to energetic pollution, and it seems to target my spleen and lymph system. I take herbs for this.

ETA: You said, "You can detect currents from any spot in the world." Actually I have amazed myself with some feats of remote viewing ~ so I will say "yes" to this one. I'm sure I am capable of this, as I've done it several times before.

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For us, struggle is not even a bad thing. If things happen to easily, answers too quickly, satisfaction and happiness too early, we get profoundly bored.

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Feel free to ask any questions - happy to answer them!

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posted May 11, 2015 12:35 PM              

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Which brings me to the name "Projector". Since our aura (when allowed to do the talking) pulls people towards us and encourages them to ask questions or invite us to jobs, relationships, etc, people project a lot of qualities upon us. Very often they sense the potential and invite us to a specific job or role which they think we will do well, but it is not well matched for our energetic type. Therefore, being asked or invited, does not mean it is correct for us - this is where our Inner Authority should be used as a compass.

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My biggest problem in my longest committed relationships, was being recognized for something special, but something which I am not. What you have mentioned above has been the source of my heartache in relationships. Not being recognized has not been the problem, but being recognized for something I am not (which is basically not being recognized), and not waiting, but jumping at the compliment, as you touch on below, has been the trap I fall into.

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In short, 'projections' in this case is people's interpretation of our abilities and how they meet their needs.

This is why "being recognised' is of vital importance. When a person praises a quality or characteristic you don't have, they haven't recognised you. If they specifically name traits you do posses, then they have recognised you. Self-knowledge is therefore very important for us - projectors usually thrive on recognition, and for the unaware Projectors empty compliments can feel as recognition as well.

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posted May 11, 2015 03:12 PM            

Here is mine...

posted May 11, 2015 05:20 PM            

Just wondering if the line number is an evolutionary number or almost like a line of least resistance? The difference between the two would be one where the individual is learning to utilize the line energy throughout life or it is automatically used as an aspect of their natural predisposition in a sense. I guess it could be construed as an either/or/and, just wondering if HD has a way to tell the difference.

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Hi arcturiann, thank you for joining us!

Yes, sooner or later you exhaust all information sources and have to pay yourself into more knowledge. This is the disadvantage of Human Design being such a new system, comparative to all other systems it supposedly combines - the information out there is limited. This is what makes me think that after a certain point the best thing you can do is learn through experience and observation.

The colors and tones are very fascinating (as far as I can tell - I've only read the information on them which is online), but at this level I feel it becomes too prescriptive. Maybe I need to get a better handle on the gates and channels first before appreciating the other levels - and maybe until then there'll be more information out there

On the following link there is a good explanation of each channel, which also contains a brief explanation of the gates:

http://humandesign.com/section-b

They are divided into Integration Channels, Individual Circuit, Tribal Circuit and Collective Circuit.

This book contains a more detailed description of each Gate, it's the book I started with it and found it very accurate. It's a free PDF you can download:

Human Design - Parkyn Chetan

Also if you download this software, you can generate HD charts automatically and export them into PDFs (this option is active only during a free trial though) then you'll have a short description of each gate in the PDF.

http://secure.jovianarchive.com/Software/Maia_Mechanics_Imaging#introduction

The very best descriptions on Gates however is the the book co-authored by the founder of Human Design - If you ever decide to spend money on Human Design I'd suggest this because it provides detailed information on all the basics. Everything else is someone else's interpretation.

http://www.amazon.com/Human-Design-Definitive-Science-Differentiation/dp/0615552145

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