posted May 06, 2015 10:31 AM            

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There is only one problem with this system. It is limited to our known energy centers. There are two more energy centers already developing. Many people have access to at least one other already. But there is value in every system and this system addresses the known centers which is of great value.

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posted May 06, 2015 11:00 AM            

So far what I've read up on fits me like a tea. The triple split definition is the first system that explains why my interactions with others tend to be filtered in specific categories like emotional, intellectual, or lack of connection.

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The 5/2 does not have this same certainty in terms of what projection it can live up to like the 5/1 does. The 5/1 thrives on being the source of other people's projections. They thrive when they have the certainty of their depth, the certainty of their foundation. They thrive when they can bring practical results to any call. Then they are able to fulfill any projection and to be able to receive their rewards.

The 5/2 does not have at its unconscious level the 1st line depth of exploring the foundation in order to be able to support the universalizing gifts of its fifth line personality. We have already seen the reverse of this profile, the 2/5. The silent majority, the second line theme of being called. The hermit. Wanting to be left alone. Being inherently democratic, ready to allow others to take care of their thing so they can be left alone to be about their own business.

For the 5/2 profile, it can be annoying. It can be uncomfortable to be the source of everyone's projection. Mystically, the theme of the second line is to be called. And this is not simply at the mundane level of being called to a career or a relationship but on a higher level: a calling that will pull one out of the mundane.

The 5/2 profile has a diferent process than the 5/1. The 5/1 is occupied with establishing the foundation in order to be prepared. The second line unconscious, however, isn't into introspection and doesn't need to go looking for anything. It is what it is. The 2nd line is already living it out without necessarily understanding how it all works. Just being it.

Not having worked at it, being a natural in that sense, there is no pressure to universalize. The 5/1 has a sense of achievement in finding the foundation that it can universalize and through that universalization they are complete. The 5/2 assumes that other people know anyway. Why bother to universalize? For them it is the ordinary.

The 5/1 profile has something to prove. The 5/2 profile has nothing to prove. The second line democrat thinks, "Why should I live up to their projections? Why bother? Let others take on that responsibility." The second line theme of being the hermit says, "Leave me alone to live out my life."

The 5/2 profile clearly recognizes that it is being projected on, but it does not have the same sense of certainty that the 5/1 develops through finding its foundation. This uncertainty through the second line is leading to the transition that will come when we get to the sixth line personality and the completion of this process.

The 5/1 profile says "I've got the depth, I've got the foundation. Everybody is projecting on me. I can always fulfill that and get the rewards. I'm prepared." The 5/2 profile says "I have no access to the depth. They're projecting on me and it makes me feel uncomfortable because I don't know why I should live up to that. What does it bring me?"

In the lower trigram version of this profile, the 2/5, we have the hermit/heretic. The second line personality is absorbed in its own process, going about its own business. Their potential lies in being called so the unconscious can come out and universalize.

The 5/2 is the reluctant heretic. This is a heretical personality, but it is behind closed doors. The combination of the fifth line personality that waits behind closed doors for the right timing in order to be able to practically universalize and the second line unconscious that is truly the hermit and wants to be left alone, means that it is rare for the 5/2 to universalize. It is rare for them to get involved other than when they call themselves.

The 5/1 profile is preparing for the call of others, the projection of others. When that projection has built up the right energy then that's their chance to enter into the projection field and benefit. The 5/2 profile is not waiting for that projection field to build. Even if the projection field is out there building, it is ignorant of that because its going about absorbed in its own business. The 5/2 has to call itself. It has to be its own seducer. Only when it calls itself can it then get involved and truly universalize. through the potential of its fifth line personality.

This is a deeply withdrawn profile and not in the negative sense at all. It feels complete and natural in its withdrawal from involvement. Yet at any moment the 5/2 profile can call itself to action. It can seduce itself into boldness. 5/2 profiles are always their own prod.

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Copied from www.humandesign.com/left-angle-profile-5-2

posted May 06, 2015 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Interesting! Which are the other 2 if you don't mind sharing?

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posted May 07, 2015 12:34 AM            

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The triple split definition is the first system that explains why my interactions with others tend to be filtered in specific categories like emotional, intellectual, or lack of connection.

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SDragon: Where did you find information on triple split definition? I looked on the site you linked to but didn't see it there.

posted May 07, 2015 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
According to one of my books (the one co-written by the founder of this system), this is where Human Design and Kabbalah 'meet - in the 32 lines, which were 'inspired' by the Tree of Life concept. Each line is called a Channel and has 2 opposite gates. When one is defined and the other not, you will be attracted to people with an active opposite gate, in order to complete the channel. Is this how things work in Kabbalah? I'm sad to admit I have next to zero knowledge of this system.

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Hi SaturnFan Thanks for your explanation, that's helpful. No, the 32 Paths of Wisdom in Kabbalah are completely different.

It looks like HD could be a useful tool for evaluating synastry. Have you found this to be the case?

I also looked at the HD chart of someone whose profile is "2/4" (hermit), which is accurate. Yet, he has an empty 12H and a packed 7H with Libra planets in his astrology chart, which is interesting.

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Left Angle Cross of Masks - People, who are projected upon to provide practical or wise leadership, to be influential change agents; they do so best from behind a mask or title, such as the general or therapist.

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This is true. And, I'm a Projector - so also accurate. lol

Does having solar plexus as inner authority mean being a feeling type personality or someone who makes decision based primarily on emotions? Because if so, that would be incorrect.

I hope I'm not asking too many questions, but I haven't been able to find this info online. What does "split definition mean?

posted May 07, 2015 04:06 AM            

I'm happy you found this accurate!

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Originally posted by SDragon:
I'm reading that the right angle cross says they carry no karma, but the left angle cross does. Can anyone explain what that means?

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I'll copy a description from one of my books, as it is articulated better than I could explain it:

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Right Angle Geometry, which comprises the first seven Profiles, creates a self-absorbed, Personal Destiny. Comprising approximately 64% of the planet, these Profiles are here to work out their own life. Right Angle Geometry is focused on self-exploration and facing the personal challenges we meet in life. They are not here to be absorbed into someone else's process. People whose lives intersect with theirs may spark new experiences, but will not alter their movement through life. Right Angles are not particularly aware of, nor understand, why they connect to certain people as these Profiles enter an incarnation with the veil down over the experiences of their past lifetimes. They are here to do the research, explore, re-experience and gain new perspectives, and as such are the creators of karma on the planet.

Juxtaposition Geometry (the 4/1 Profile only) acts as a bridge between the Right Angle and the Left Angle. This is Fixed Fate, neither personal nor transpersonal, and 4/1 Profiles, representing less than 3% of the population on the planet, are fixed instead in their own line of movement - like a train on a track. The force of the Fixed Fate profile is that whoever else comes in contact with it, and stays in contact for an extended time, becomes part of that fate as well.
The Juxtaposition Profile is the bridge between the personal Right Angle research and development department and the transpersonal Left Angle marketing department.

Left Angle Geometry is Trans-Personal and has a trajectory or path that has many intersecting lines. These four Profiles, representing 33% of humanity, cannot fulfil their purpose alone. Although not dependent on the other, even the simplest of connections can potentially change their direction or path, or the other's, which is he opposite of the Right Angle process. Left Angle Profiles have a more conscious awareness of other people and the world, and are always ready to observe and engage in life. Trans-Personal Profiles maintain a connection to past incarnations, and often feel an unexplained familiarity with certain people and experiences. While the Right Angle creates karma, the Left Angle cleans up the karma that has been created.

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posted May 07, 2015 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SDragon: Where did you find information on triple split definition? I looked on the site you linked to but didn't see it there.

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posted May 07, 2015 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
[b]Hi SDragon,

I'm happy you found this accurate!

I'll copy a description from one of my books, as it is articulated better than I could explain it:

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posted May 07, 2015 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
As for the other areas in your chart, Free Lion:

Sacral Authority means you have a yes-or-no response to everything which comes your way, and this needs to be the way you filter out things and make decisions. For example, if your mind thinks a specific thing (like a job) is great but your gut tells you 'no', then it's a no.

You have open Head, Ajna and Emotional centres, which means that you are highly sensitive to what people around you feel and think. Just being next to a particular person can lead to a rapid influx of ideas and thoughts, without even having to talk to them - this is an example of how you detect energy through your open Head and Ajna centres. This can be challenging because you are able to understand every point of view, and identify with it, so it could lead to indecisiveness or confusion. The positive manifestation of having these 2 centres open is the ability for great tolerance, understanding of everyone's position, unlimited access to inspiration.

Your open Emotional centre (Solar Plexus) is where you detect people's emotions. Again the risk is identifying with emotions which are not yours, and allowing other people's emotional waves to bring you up and down. Once you become aware of this and start recognising which emotion is yours and which belongs to the other person, you can fully explore the positive manifestation of an open Solar Plexus, which is unlimited empathy.

Do you resonate with any of this?

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Wow!! Thanks for the info! That is incredibly accurate! Every sentence is on the dot

For the longest time I was reluctant to let my gut instinct reign supreme, even though it had proven itself over and over again. Now I always listen to my gut instinct, and let me tell ya, my life is a lot easier lol.

And yes, the mere presence of others is enough for me to infiltrate their minds this ability extends to dogs, cats, and a few other animals as well
Regarding the potential for indecisiveness/confusion as a result of being able to understand and identify with every view point, I've been able to attenuate this by having less stock in mundane matters. Instead, I immerse myself in the realms of the esoteric in an effort to answer existential questions (which I feel is more important than mundane matters), so there's a reduced chance for confusion when I converse with the select few who share the same interest.

Ah, an open Solar Plexus? So this is the reason why my emotional states would be saturated by the emotions of others. I knew at an early age that I was able to tune into the emotional atmosphere of my environments with greater ease and accuracy than others, but I never knew why, until now. I'm glad to say I've been exploring powerful levels of empathy for some time now, mainly through the songwriting on my first music album, which I composed in an attempt to reflect, and relate to, the current emotions of our species' collective consciousness.

posted May 07, 2015 03:22 PM            

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I'll copy a description from one of my books, as it is articulated better than I could explain it:

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Trans-Personal Profiles maintain a connection to past incarnations, and often feel an unexplained familiarity with certain people and experiences. While the Right Angle creates karma, the Left Angle cleans up the karma that has been created.

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The whole description of the Trans-Personal Profile (Left-Angle) is amazingly accurate, but I wanted to highlight this section in particular. It explains why I am acutely aware of past-life connections with people, and most recently with a Right Angle person who had no awareness of it at all. Also, "cleaning up karma" is exactly my understanding of what our interaction was about.

In the synastry, we have a Sun-SN DW, but the HD profile gives a further and significant insight. This is exciting!

posted May 07, 2015 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SDragon: Where did you find information on triple split definition? I looked on the site you linked to but didn't see it there.

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http://www.humandesign.com/triple-split-definition

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You can find it here.

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SDragon, thanks so much!

posted May 07, 2015 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
'When I have a chance' - do you find it easy to rest when you know you have work to do, or does it bug you until you finally get it done?

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posted May 07, 2015 05:44 PM            

http://www.humandesign.com/left-angle-profile-6-2

Remember that in the symmetry of the hexagram structure that the third line and the sixth line are actually doing the same job. The third line completes the lower trigram. It is the ceiling of the lower trigram. The sixth line is the roof of the whole house. They have a relationship to each other, a harmony. The third line is a trial and error process. The sixth line during this first thirty year period engages in trial and error in order to taste the various possibilities of its nature.

Sixth line personality is a role model personality. It is insistent that everything work correctly. Everything must work correctly. It learns very quickly through its trial and error experiences that things do not work out that way but the 6th line strives to change that. This is when the sixth line theme moves towards the second stage of aloofness (between 30 and 50 years) and begins to withdraw.

With the 6/2 profile and its second line hermit unconscious this withdrawal is natural. It is during this second period that the sixth line personality will become aloof, will not engage. They will become the objective observer of what is going on around them.

In the final stage of their life, in the post fifty year period, is the opportunity for the sixth line to be able to re-engage. This is an essential completion process for the sixth line. To come to a point of re-entering into, rather than staying aloof from life itself.

The 6/2 profile has great transpersonal power. They are always noticed. They can be withdrawn and reclusive sitting on the roof of the house, but they are visible up there. There are many who recognize that they are being watched. They see that there is a constant observer and that observer becomes an attractive force. A place to seek out objective advice.

The sixth line personality is fundamentally optimistic. It looks out in the world and it dreams and hopes for the best in life. And not only for itself, but through its transpersonal nature, the best in life for others. There is always the assumption within the sixth line that it is possible. At the same time the second line unconscious has come to see the frailness of humanity, the weakness and self-hatred.

It is the 6/2's unconscious and its memory that keeps its personal aloofness. 6/2's interact powerfully with the communities around them. They are truly transpersonal beings. Yet at the personal level within themselves, through their second line unconscious, they are not involved. They have their distance.

The sixth line needs to have trust. When it sees that relationships are untrustworthy they become aloof from intimacy. The 6/2 profile cannot live by anything it cannot trust and likewise they cannot live with anyone they cannot trust. If you break the trust of a 6/2 profile, they will never engage with you again. It does not mean that they will not be social with you. The sixth line personality has a pure transpersonal skill. They can always interact with the other at the surface. They are here to be leaders in that process. But they won't let you in.

Determined leaders is the theme of the 6/2 profile. As a leader they have their natural separation from those that they are interacting with. But whether or not it can finally join in the process is the ultimate determination whether the 6/2 profile is complete in its life.

We know the second line theme is a theme of being called. The 6/2 is called upon to bring its objective judgment, to bring its leadership.

posted May 07, 2015 06:43 PM            

These are my results:

Type: Reflector

Strategy: Wait a Lunar Cycle

Not-Self Theme: Disappointment

Signature: Surprise

Definition: None

Authority: Lunar Cycle

Profile: Hermit - Opportunist (2/4)

posted May 08, 2015 04:01 AM            

I tried editing my longer post above in order to add 2 links, but it kept crashing and I don't seem to be able to re-post it so will break it down into small pieces.

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Originally posted by peony:
No, the 32 Paths of Wisdom in Kabbalah are completely different.

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Interesting, thank you Peony - I'll read more about them!

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Originally posted by peony:
It looks like HD could be a useful tool for evaluating synastry. Have you found this to be the case?

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Definitely. Especially when you check which Gates are activated by someone in your chart, or which Gates in their chart you activate - it explains so much different behaviours and attitudes. For example if you are in the company of a person, who activates all of your centres and you theirs (so there are no open centres left if you apply your chart onto theirs - this happens when most 'hanging' gates connects to their counter-part in another person so they form active channels which connect all centres to each other), then you would find it very difficult to engage with anyone or anything else except them. I've seen this happen with 2 people, when we are in a group they would only talk to each other and it is a great effort for them to engage with the rest of us. They're not rude by any means, it's just how their energy plays out.

And here's an example with myself:

Gate 11 is the Gate of Ideas so whenever I am in contact with someone with an active Gate 56 (The Gate of Stimulation) this activates both our Throat Centres and Ajna Centres and we cannot stop talking about concepts, visions, ideas, and abstract topics.

posted May 08, 2015 04:40 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I also looked at the HD chart of someone whose profile is "2/4" (hermit), which is accurate. Yet, he has an empty 12H and a packed 7H with Libra planets in his astrology chart, which is interesting.

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Originally posted by peony:
Does having solar plexus as inner authority mean being a feeling type personality or someone who makes decision based primarily on emotions? Because if so, that would be incorrect.

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A Solar Plexus authority means that decisions need to be considered over time instead of being rushed, and you should wait for 'emotional clarity' before taking action. A defined Solar Plexus is described as having emotional waves (so not an overly emotional individual, an open Solar Plexus would lead to rapid mood swings but a defined one is very stable), and when you're on the top of the wave (feeling more energetic, extroverted, happy) or at the bottom (feeling introverted, in need of rest, melancholic) your judgement might be clouded when you are presented with a decision. So, with a Solar Plexus authority you need to be sure not to let your ecstatic or melancholic mood lead you, but instead put off the big decisions until you have emotional clarity and are certain of what needs to be done. You saying that you are not making decisions based on emotions shows that you have already mastered your inner authority

posted May 08, 2015 04:44 AM            

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I hope I'm not asking too many questions, but I haven't been able to find this info online. What does "split definition mean?

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Not at all, I'm happy to answer any questions!

Split definition is when your defined (coloured) centres are in groups which are not connected with each other through a channel. I'll give you another example with my own chart:

I have the Root and Splenic Centre connected to each other through channel 38-28. My Identity and Heart Centre are connected through channel 25-51. So I have 2 groups of defined centres, which are however not connected - this is split definition. In my case it's a "Split Definition" because I am only missing 1 link. If your defined centres are in 3 groups, instead of 2, you'd have a "Triple Split Definition" as SDragon does.

This is important because we attract people in our lives who 'bridge' our disconnected defined centres and make us 'feel whole'. In fact this is what solidified Human Design for me, because when I checked my friends' HD charts, each single one of them had either an active 44-26 Channel, or only an active 26 Gate, and so all of them were connecting my Identity-Heart Centres with my Spleen and Root Centres. This attraction is neutral though, we can attract people who are bad for us but we might still find it difficult to 'let them go' since their energy feels like a missing piece of the puzzle for us. So when you said Human Design is a good tool to evaluate synastry, you were spot on

Hope this answers your question - happy to provide more information!

EDIT: These 2 links have very detailed descriptions of Projectors, I'd love to hear how accurate you find them

http://www.geneticmatrix.com/projector/

posted May 08, 2015 04:58 AM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
SaturnFan: How does synastry work if the other person is totally empty of a channel but yours are active?

Take 2-14 as an example, the channel of the beat? Does the other person's channel get activated or do they just feel that you have something that they lack, or do they not even recognize what 'it' is because they're not familiar with the energy?

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Hi SDragon,

When you have an open gate/ channel/ centre activated by someone else's defined gate/channel/ centre you will amplify the energy. For example, if person A has an open Solar Plexus and comes into contact with person B with a defined Solar Plexus and in a melancholic mood, person A will feel the emotions in much heavier way. If person A shared their feelings with person B, person B would perceive them as extremely strong, or even dramatic - not as identical to their own.

So, when you have an open channel activated by another's defined channel you will amplify the channel's energy. The person with an open channel will most definitely feel the energy, but it depends on their level of self awareness and knowledge whether they'll recognise it. The channel will have an especially big impact if it connects 2 centres which are otherwise open or disconnected.

In your example, Channel 2-14 connects the Sacral and the Identity centres. If you come in contact with someone with both centres open, your 2-14 channel will not only activate them both but also connect them. In your company, this person will feel amazingly empowered, because they would both have a strong sense of identity and purpose, AND feel access to energy and life-force. Channel 2-14 is about relying on your own inner resources, so when you activate this within them, they'll feel like they can conquer the world. Even if they have 1 of the centres defined, or both of them, activating this channel will make them feel like they have accessed some power which had been dormant or semi-conscious until now. Or it was conscious, but they never found a way to utilise it. This channel is very empowering in synastry. If you're in contact with this person for an extended period of time, you can truly see them blossom before your eyes.

posted May 08, 2015 05:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Free Leon:
Wow!! Thanks for the info! That is incredibly accurate! Every sentence is on the dot

For the longest time I was reluctant to let my gut instinct reign supreme, even though it had proven itself over and over again. Now I always listen to my gut instinct, and let me tell ya, my life is a lot easier lol.

And yes, the mere presence of others is enough for me to infiltrate their minds this ability extends to dogs, cats, and a few other animals as well
Regarding the potential for indecisiveness/confusion as a result of being able to understand and identify with every view point, I've been able to attenuate this by having less stock in mundane matters. Instead, I immerse myself in the realms of the esoteric in an effort to answer existential questions (which I feel is more important than mundane matters), so there's a reduced chance for confusion when I converse with the select few who share the same interest.

Ah, an open Solar Plexus? So this is the reason why my emotional states would be saturated by the emotions of others. I knew at an early age that I was able to tune into the emotional atmosphere of my environments with greater ease and accuracy than others, but I never knew why, until now. I'm glad to say I've been exploring powerful levels of empathy for some time now, mainly through the songwriting on my first music album, which I composed in an attempt to reflect, and relate to, the current emotions of our species' collective consciousness.

Thanks again for the info!

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Hi Free Lion,

How interesting that you mention animals! According to Human Design they have the same energetic make up, except with less centres. While we have 9, mammals have 6 or 7, and it goes down to insects who have only 1 or 2. It does show how all life on Earth is connected.

I really like how you are managing your open Head and Ajna centres - filtering out noise is the best way.

posted May 08, 2015 05:09 AM            

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A bit of both. It depends whether the work I'm doing is interesting or not. Fortunately there are a lot of things I find interesting. However, if I am stuck in a rut with a project I can't seem to make progress on, then it will surely bug me until I find a solution. And if I spend about 3 weeks on a project, I get a little irritated because I'll be dying to start something fresh.
Just today I pulled an allnighter putting together a presentation. It was really fun, and I added things my professor didn't say to put on there. Adding things took more time, but I wanted to make sure I would get a good grade. I was done by 6:30 and I thought there was no point in sleeping because my class started at 9. I slept anyway because I was afraid I might not make it through today.

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This is a very positive manifestation of the Generator energy Constantly buzzing with new ideas, appetite for life, wanting to keep things fresh.

posted May 08, 2015 05:24 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
SaturnFan, I found this cool link on 6/2 personalities if you haven't seen it yet. I thought it matched up very well with my personality. Let me know what you think!

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Hi Bella,

This is a great explanation, and it correlates with the 6/2 descriptions I have read in my 2 books.