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Topic: Double Oh Godzala
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darkdreamer
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From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted February 21, 2009 05:59 PM
 
I`m sorry that that so many of us have a really rough time. Wish I could do something to make you feel better.  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 06:08 PM
What a sweetie you are, DD  I'm working out what to do with my 12yo son. On Tuesday he left on the bus with his classmates for a 3-day trip to an Environmental Learning Center to learn Winter Survival skills. On Wednesday evening, the staff called me and told me I had to come get him right away as he'd been kicked out. This place is 202 miles away!! I told them I couldn't leave until morning. It seems he got in a fight with another kid whilst out on a snowshoeing trek. That would have been forgiven (and he would have been given hard labor such as hauling wood for the fireplaces) if he hadn't gotten cornered later on by some kids who were picking on him and pulled his pocketknife out of his pants, opened it and said, "Don't make me use this." He realized right then that this probably wasn't a good idea, closed it and put it back in his pants and got away from the other kids. They told on him (as of course they should have), so on Thursday I did the all-day drive to go up there and pick him up and bring him home 
He went in to school on Friday for the inevitable meeting, a police officer included, as my scion threatened people with a deadly weapon on school property (the Learning Center is owned by the School District). Ordinary punishment would be getting expelled from school, but since he's in Special Ed, they cut him some slack and gave him a week's suspension. Next week he has to go to a special offsite area and (hopefully) learn that threatening people with sharp objects is generally not a good idea..... Counselling is probably on the horizon, too. Zala is not a very happy camper on the family front..... IP: Logged |
spunknini
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From: Sydney NSW, Australia
Registered: Mar 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 06:10 PM
Damn AGHomework first thing in the morning....bloody Capricorn, lol. I am a considerate visionary....Yay me! Can't paste the piccy...sh1t.
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spunknini
Knowflake Posts: 1175
From: Sydney NSW, Australia
Registered: Mar 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 06:24 PM
Oh Zala
I feel for you sweety. I guess we all needed to hear those words I posted. I don't know what is going on in the 'verse' at the moment but geez there are a lot of people going through some major hurt right now. Us Godzaliens need to stick together & unite to stick our middles fingers up to that hurt & say 'BITE ME'.
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Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 06:27 PM
Spunkers, thanks
I dunno what to do about this kid, he's such a hothead -- Aries Sun/Merc/Mars, can you imagine?? 
He's got tPluto heading for a square with his nMars (over the next umpteen years), and a few years from now he'll have first Uranus conj Mars then Uranus conj Sun!!
I hope we both live thru this period of his life IP: Logged |
spunknini
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From: Sydney NSW, Australia
Registered: Mar 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 06:32 PM
Yes it is going to be hard for you both & there isn't anything I can do to help.
We are always here for you.
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blue moon
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From: U.K
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted February 21, 2009 06:37 PM
It's not the best reaction to provocation, but I wouldn't expect a high level of emotional maturity in a boy aged 12.I wouldn't be happy if it was one of mine, either, very embarrassing. They would get ripped a new one. But I would want to know what was said to make them so angry. Just guessing how I would react, I don't know, not been there yet! But if it helps I have lived a long time with someone such a naughty boy his mama sent him away to military school. He turned out O.K, a better man than most, though of course I am biased in that comment. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 06:49 PM
Thanks, spunky & blue
It helps to know there is support and that I'm not the only mother that was ever in this position This is what he has to deal with:  You might think this is not the most sensitive kid on the block, but his Moon in the 12th makes for a lot of secrecy about his feelings -- it's not easy to get him to talk about his difficult times..... IP: Logged |
koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 2667
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 06:51 PM
Zala - if it's any consolation the people involved with dealing with your son won't be making any judgements. Parents can get so anxious about their children's behaviour, and I understand the reality of that. Your son is young and will be on a huge learning curve for quite some time yet. The good thing is that he realised he was doing something wrong at the time,and that's great!!! The sad thing is the issue of the other children. That may need to be addressed.If you would like to understand the situation better, then ask the school to identify and list the antecendents leading up to him pulling his pocketknife out. The school needs to address exactly what the other children said to your son when they cornered him. The other issue that needs to be addressed is what action took place immediately after the fight on the snowshoe trek? Which staff member stopped it? What did the staff member do to separate them? Was a watchful eye kept on both children in the time following this fight? The full issue is not entirely your son. It is a staff issue, too. They need to share the responsibility of what happened as being on a school camp makes them extremely liable for the safety of all children. Ask to see their risk analyse for your son for the camp. If he has special needs, there ought to be a risk analyse done for him and an action plan if his special need kicks in at the time of being away from home. You have a few questions to ask the school, Zala. I hope they didn't come across as being the Forever Giving Benefactor by allowing your son to stay at school while exiting you out the door and expecting you to take it on the chin yourself. Making them re-evaluate will make them skirm, but also make them become better at their jobs in education. Parents are the best learning tool a teacher can have. Btw, Zala, i have been wondering where you've been lately. So there!! There was someone thinking of you  Love to you and all that have had a tough week. Big hugs to sunshine lion for experiencing a real difficult week. xoxoxoxox IP: Logged |
blue moon
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From: U.K
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted February 21, 2009 07:07 PM
Interesting. A strong Moon/Uranus ~ dragging in the authority figures maybe wasn't the best move to avoid inflamming the emotions of the situation. But it's the stick on a kite, isn't it? Some would call it wide but I'm going to call it in. It could be the solution, even if it's the problem. My guts say give him the chance to say what he thinks he should do to make it right. Telling him what he should do and when might make things worse. But that's just an astrological thought. p.s Tr Jupiter Opposite the Moon ~ over-the-top emotional reaction. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 9968
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 07:09 PM
OMG! Apparently we were accused of talking about LL people through emails etc, AND I MISSED IT? Who? When? Where? Geez, I don't spend enough time on Astro2.And how did I find this out? Well, through email, of course. Guess it's right then. Did everyone get my email on Multiscale Modeling of Complex Physics? My mother once accused my father and I of talking about her when she wasn't around. I promptly replied that we had better things to talk about. Same goes here. But it's nice that people want to talk about us - any publicity is good publicity, as they say. When you're ignored, you're invisible. We make an impression. Never a bad thing. Maybe I'll go and find the thread/post. Ah, maybe not.  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 07:11 PM
Oh koi, thank you for the professional insights!! And for wondering where I’d gotten to
My boy is on meds for ADHD, or what they term ASD instead of using each individual disorder. He’s in a Special Ed program at school and has a para with him maybe half the day. I was a bit concerned that there was no staff up at the Learning Center that were trained to assist him in defusing situations, but he went on this same trip (in the fall and not the winter) in 4th grade and everything was fine…..As for the snowshoeing incident, no one saw who started it, but the staff that were along had to pull the other boy off the top of my kid to separate them….. and the other kid got kicked out too, possibly because it seemed like my boy was getting the worst of the fight, and the kid on top could have easily have backed off and didn’t….. What is a “risk analyse”?? My boy has had problems socializing all his life. He does very well with adults and has a large vocabulary. He wants so badly to be part of the group of his peers. He has no buddies because he reacts inappropriately to many stimuli/challenges and of course the other kids think he’s weird. Ever since he started school he’s been a target of the local bullies because his reactions are OTT, and he doesn’t understand if when he stops reacting, the bullies will go away. He’s gotten very suspicious of everyone, and expects to be picked on, so of course that’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 07:14 PM
And now, for something I am willing to invest myself and my time in - good morning my lovely Godzaleans.  It's just after 11am and I just got out of bed. Not really as glam as it sounds.  I didn't get to sleep until around 4am. We rearranged rooms yesterday. It was a long day. Even after finishing here around 3am last night I still had stuff to do. There's a lot here to catch up on. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 8138
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 07:15 PM
Thanks for the astro insights, blue
I saw the tJupiter/Mars opp nMoon, and with tPluto applying to square his nMars it was an accident waiting to happen.....Ms LayaboutInBed Pennsylvania, please do tell where Godzalians have been accused of secret email conclaves to discuss other members!! IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 9968
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 07:18 PM
Oh, Zala, I don't know. And I don't care.Amazingly, I have things that I consider worthy of my time and energy. Who would have thought, huh? Now, lets talk about good things. Like us. Oh, sorry. I meant......... great things. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 9968
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 07:22 PM
Quick time check reveals after midnight in UK. So bm is in bed, most likely. Evening for Zala. DD after 1am so most likely dreaming of Jude. And the Aussies - well, even we can't co-ordinate. koi, who lives about 4 hours away - is in a different time zone. ***PA leans in closely to computer screen*** She lives over the border. Enough said. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 07:24 PM
Them foreigners!! IP: Logged |
blue moon
Moderator Posts: 5947
From: U.K
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted February 21, 2009 07:24 PM
Talking about me, huh? Not in bed yet, finishing off some stuff here. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 9968
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 07:24 PM
koi must be attending to her petticoat. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 8138
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 07:25 PM
Are you 5 hours ahead of LL, blue??
Zala is 1 hour behind LL-time.....IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 9968
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 07:26 PM
bmI believe I was talking about you - not to you. Get it right. Ah, see you're suffering from catch-up syndrome. Never enough time..... well, for duties. Always make time for Godzala. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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From: U.K
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted February 21, 2009 07:27 PM
Not related to anything at all, I just thought it was good:-Bitter rain in my courtyard
In the decline of Autumn,
I only have vague poetic feelings
That I cannot bring together.
They diffuse into the dark clouds
And the red leaves.
After the yellow sunset
The cold moon rises
Out of the gloomy mist.
I will not let down the blinds
Of spotted bamboo from their silver hook.
Tonight my dreams will follow the wind,
Suffering the cold,
To the jasper tower of your beautiful flesh. -Wu Tsao, Translated by Kenneth Rexroth and Ling Chung IP: Logged |
blue moon
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From: U.K
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted February 21, 2009 07:28 PM
It's half-midnight.I'm writing some stuff for fun. No time scale. I just like the midnight hour. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted February 21, 2009 07:29 PM
Ah, I have to prepare lunch. bm is talking about the midnight hour and we're preparing lunch. Love it.IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 8138
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2009 07:30 PM
I love a man who can use the word "diffuse" properly 
Although the jasper tower thing conjures mental images of mottled dark brownish-red rocks with white spots..... can't help it -- parents were rockhounds and gave us kids missions on the beaches, "go pick up any rock that looks like this" IP: Logged |
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