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hypatia238
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posted April 13, 2020 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Moonbeth

Thank you so much for breaking down PHOLUS for us so wonderfully, I think you did a magnificent job!

I am fascinated with Pholus!

As for Synastry, I actually see it strongly featured in couples who get married or seriously consider getting married as that is quite a turning point in everyone's life.

Is interesting because for a while NOW through this Crazy Crisis we are all dealing with TR PHOLUS has been conjuncting Tr SOUTHNODE!

So we may indeed collectively be experiencing a turning point were we are outgrowing some cappy traits on a collective level and refocusing more on human connection over achievement! WE are re-discovering how much we value connecting with each other!!!! WE really are.

What do you think MOONBETH?!

Bless your heart for breaking that down, loved your input on Pholus.

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posted April 13, 2020 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Pholus is an asteroid. It is often said to “explode” what it touches. It’s a catalyst, a point of no return like the last stage of now-inevitable pressure that gets the bottle of champagne’s cork to go ‘pop’.
He was a centaur, sort of civilised, like Chiron (but not as awesome I love Chiron) and I don’t know much about his story but unlike Chiron he was mortal like the other centaurs, he either accidentally killed himself with a similar arrow to the one that wounded Chiron or was actually the one to accidentally wound Chiron, legends and my mind be blurry 😊 I like the second version, it makes sense that Pholus acted as the catalyst that propelled Chiron into his final destiny, that led him to surrendering his immortality and find a calling in all his life’s work, but many stories are about how Heracles got him into troubles (Pholus was a booze keeper 😉 and it resulted in Heracles killing many centaurs, Pholus died after being punctured by the poisonous end of an arrow he was extracting from a dying centaur, marvelling at the tiny object that could kill a centaur (I always imagine him Sean Bean style in the Fellowship of the Ring “It is a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing. Such a little thing”
Astrologically it is considered to be prominent at critical moments such as when you decide to treat an addiction or in tiny moments that discreetly trigger life changing events, more like a butterfly effect than a spark.
It’s supposed to be the unexpected result, Bruce Banner turning into the Hulk, Peter Parker becoming Spiderman… Pholus is accidental and massive that way but not necessarily good or bad, or desperately both 😊
It links Saturn and Orcus if I remember well, the same way Chiron links Saturn and Uranus…, but Pholus has something to do with Neptune too (see the fog in my brain? 😊 )
There’s honestly not much I can tell you you won’t find better explained and detailed on the net as it doesn’t aspect in my chart and I’ve no recollection of significant synastry feelings I could put on it.


Thank you😁

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posted April 13, 2020 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Capricorns are huge on connecting they are just better at hiding their cancer side/feelings lol...

I adore them....

Yes I find pholus aspect to sun or moon shows up a lot in committed relationships!

I would love to hear why you are enamored with Chiron specially since it forms a YOD in your chart and is at the APEX so super curious about how you see chiron, share share....Pholus trines my Southnode by 1 degree, chiron opposes my chart ruler.

"Pholus may have been the virus itself, the surprise, at a time we expected something to happen, the fact it was a seemingly innocent virus that ended up being lethal and brought the world to its knees does feel Pholus like “hehe surprise ************* !"

^^Excellent analysis but this SURPRISE is to force a turning point and help us outgrow something capricorn related I am thinking...

The nodes are about balancing out things, restoring balance, the PHOLUS/CRISIS is pushing the world to find a balance between cappy/cancer axis, maybe we are working too much so now forced to stay home and then this has led to pollution clearing! Maybe mother nature wanted pholus to force us to stay home so it can re-generate! hahahaha that is actually pretty bad a*s............


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I mean yes cappy values connection but their shadow side can be ambition and working too much at the cost of spending less time connecting, sometimes to serve that actual purpose unconsciously, a Capricorn that does not want to go inside and work on their shadow side ends up distracting by working too much and this protects them from getting too close and potentially hurt and from working on their wounds, you have to feel the pain all the way to heal, the reward comes after but you have delve into the depths of your soul first and let that pain burn.

I have dated a guy with northnode in cancer and southnode in Cappy who had sun in cappy and it was bad, he worked to much and avoided his trauma and had an avoidant attachment style, avoided feeling his emotions.

So yes southnode in cappy conjunct pholus can be about forcing us to stop working so much and SLOW DOWN and nourish our souls and about confronting our fears and working through stuff we have been avoiding.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
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It's getting late here, but I am so coming back tomorrow to reply the heck out of that comment, so many great things, you should have seen me pointing to the screen nodding and going hmmm hmmm "she's onto something" lol 😊😊😊

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posted April 13, 2020 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have got to say....I feel so much BETTER with Mercury in ARIES! I really felt in a fog in the last couple of weeks! I wonder if the combo of Mercury and Neptune in Pisces intensified this! I'm surprised I feel this way with my ruling planet being Mercury in Taurus house 12. Part of me feels embarrassed for not accomplishing enough in the last few weeks! I feel like I am starting to gain mental momentum again.

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posted April 13, 2020 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have got to say....I feel so much BETTER with Mercury in ARIES! I really felt in a fog in the last couple of weeks! I wonder if the combo of Mercury and Neptune in Pisces intensified this! I'm surprised I feel this way with my ruling planet being Mercury in Taurus house 12. Part of me feels embarrassed for not accomplishing enough in the last few weeks! I feel like I am starting to gain mental momentum again.

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posted April 13, 2020 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stawr:
I have got to say....I feel so much BETTER with Mercury in ARIES! I really felt in a fog in the last couple of weeks! I wonder if the combo of Mercury and Neptune in Pisces intensified this! I'm surprised I feel this way with my ruling planet being Mercury in Taurus house 12. Part of me feels embarrassed for not accomplishing enough in the last few weeks! I feel like I am starting to gain mental momentum again.

I completely agree with you! Mercury meets neptune in pisces was getting in the way of all us thinking clearly while global crisis is happening so the worst time to not think clearly. Kannon called it that information will clear up once Mercury enters ARIES.

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posted April 14, 2020 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
It's getting late here, but I am so coming back tomorrow to reply the heck out of that comment, so many great things, you should have seen me pointing to the screen nodding and going hmmm hmmm "she's onto something" lol 😊😊😊

You are have a gift for making me smile...
and are so incredibly sweet....

This coronavirus is actually affecting mostly the elderly with pre-existing health conditions.

Saturn/Cappy rules the elderly..

Southnode is a point of loss..

Then PHOLUS comes along and bombs southnode...

Then Southnode in Cancer is ruled by the moon and the moon rules motherhood but also our roots which link back to grandparents (cappy/saturn) so interesting...

If southnode is a point of loss and cappy rules the elderly and northnode is a point of gain and the moon rules motherhood, it makes me think of the circle of life.

You now what is weird though sooon Northnode will retrograde into gemini and then the northnode will continue to retrograde for at least over a decade and I have no idea when northnode will be back to cancer because the northnode is just going to be going back for a super long time, is not going to return to cancer in god knows how long so there is that too which I don't know what to think of...like that is so odd, unless this is normal northnode behavior going retro for over a decade...

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Thank you😁

😊 If only I typed faster than you google lol

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posted April 14, 2020 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Moonbeth

I just came across this and it reminded me of you and your Southnode in Capricorn with Northnode in Cancer for some reason but in your case is an active verb, you are strong enough to be gentle with exceptions ofcourse but that is your tendency.


@Moonbeth

You were not kidding when you said you will respond the F out of my response yesterday hahahahaha

I want to take my time reading your response so will respond to it later (the chiron section).

How cool your mother was an astrologer, I have been into astrology for over 2 decades. I do know there are some asteroids I have noticed are actually important to pay attention to such as Juno, EROS and PSYCHE, Pholus, Nessus and Dejanira...

I mean Pluto is a minor planet with a lot of power and there are asteroids that also have a lot of power..

There is one day in my life were my whole world was flipped outside down and I lost everything and it forced a turning point in my life but is like PHOLUS come a long and landed on my Southnode and activated my Skipped step (mercury opposite moon) and it litterly lighted up my life on fire and burned off everything except what was absolutely essential for me to get back on track and fulfill my northnode destiny.

That day that I speak off Tr PHOLUS was conjuncting exact my Southnode and squaring my Skipped step and Tr Chaos was approaching my Northnode conjuncting my northnode just under 2 degrees. Also, Tr Southnode was conjuncting exact my natal chaos. Tr Pluto was conjuncting midpoint of my 2H ruler and my 8H ruler (saturn and moon).

It was a forced turning point born out of chaos. Pholus and CHAOS falling on my nodes that day definitely gave me a real good taste of the power of these two asteroids.

That Day Pholus was definitely a catalyst spurring change or transformation.

This article goes over the different ways PHOLUS can manifest and for me when it hit my nodes it was big and the day I met my husband PHOLUS was squaring exact my SUN so for me it has played a big role in my life and I think it is a very powerful asteroid when it hits something significant in your chart via transit EXACT:

"As you can see on the web Pholus is very very small and orbs should be taken equally small. Pholus is one the additional objects that you can choose on Astro.com when you make a chart there. There is an interesting page on Wikipedia dedicated to Pholus. Pholus is linked to:

– the small start of a major event (like the butterfly and the huricane)

– a turning point (like the first domino stone in a range)

– a situation involving three generations at the time (grandparents, parents, children)

– curing certain addictions

– something that happens and you can’t get a hold on it and it is escalating (like throwing the first stone in a revolution)

– the catalyst (something that triggers a lot of events)"
http://www.astromarkt.net/astrology_to_study-html/pholus-aspects-html/

This is my chart with transits for that day:

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posted April 15, 2020 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonbeth:

True, Cappy’s shadow fits the bill, I would be shocked though that such a massive and long event (it began a whole generation ago) would rely mostly on the shadow of a sign and not the whole thing.,


Yeah since Southnode is what needs to be outgrown and the northnode is what we needs to be integrated in order to balance out the nodes we would be dealing with the shadow side of Capricorn.

BUT the point is to find balance between the TWO by outgrowing excess from the southnode and integrating more the northnode. Not working is not the solution for this, the solution is been less achievement focused and materialistic (as in toning it down) and more about nourishing ourselves and others including earth but this doesn't mean we should stop working and let society degrade to a point people don't have the right to earn a living and survive, is about balance, working/achieving but not at the cost of connecting or nourishing ourselves and earth.

I cannot help think that this also has to do with how divided we are because of politics and about balancing that out too, this could also symbolize the shadow side of Capricorn, been overly political at the cost of connection and even family. The nodes are reminding us that connection is more important than fighting over politics and that we need to be able to disagree without wanting to kill each other. This crisis is SUPPOSE to bring us together and give us perspective. I had an intern last year said she stopped talking to her father because he was a Trump supported, I was disgusted, that represents the state of how we are doing collectively and what this crisis may also be about IMO.

This balancing of the nodes can also very from individual to individual. I have a client that has NOT valued herself enough and has not had the motivation or confidence to pursue a formal career and has been over focusing on been a mother and dating and not investing in herself. This quarantine appears to have awaken something in her, she is valuing herself more and life and valuing her TIME more. She wants to pursue a license in Home Health Aid once the quarantine is over. I have been seeing her for over a year and this is the first time I see her so driven and I am very happy for her, in her case this is growth and shows she is loving herself more. This fits the next transition to northnode into gemini, her wanting to go to trade school to get a license in HHA, she has moon in Gemini.

Then I have an example that goes the other direction, someone I know who lost her daughter about a year ago or so has really been enjoying staying at home because its giving her an opportunity to spend more time with her son and those two really needed family time and this opportunity to connect more is a blessing and something this family really needed, in their case the balancing out needed to happen by spending a lot of quality time together as a family.

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posted April 15, 2020 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@moonbeth

Read about your chiron, I am so intrigued by what you do for a living!

It feels like you do group counseling which you don't necessarily have to have a counseling degree or masters degree to lead a support group. There is this girl that would come sometimes to our center to lead grief support groups and she was not a counselor and had a bachelor's degree and she was great at leading grief group, truly great at it, definitely her calling.

You can also a be a PEER COUNSELOR......

I think you are saying that when you help others you forget about your pain and since the IC is the release point and the IC is our emotions/nourishing side and you are so in touch with that side of you, this side helps your chiron transcend and by using your nourishing side in your career is like when you do that you don't feel the pain, like maybe your release point helps you transcend your chiron or something...

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posted April 15, 2020 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Right now, we are struggling to stop a machine going awry, so that we can redirect it, reshape it, re-pace it. We bring it to a halt and when that is done, we can start it again at a sounder pace."

OMG High Five to this! I love it when this side of you comes out were you express yourself like this using visuals and analogies! and yes I love what you are expressing there.

Is your mercury in the 5th? or aspecting your 5H ruler?

"No one is always calm or nice… it’s about who/what choose to get angry for/about or nice/sweet about 😊"

You are right

What sign is your mars in? Libra?

"I only have one word and I’m a ranter lol oops ^^
Also, I apologise in advance if anything I write comes off as blunt, I’m really tired (work is starting to become invasive again) and a bit outworn so if anything feels blunt or whatever, please discard it, it’s not meant, I’ve just done a lot today and it’s a bad illness day…"

I understand

"It wasn’t my mother. I do love asteroids and think a lot of them, I absolutely don’t agree with my family member who didn’t, though I’ll give her that her more traditional way required a ton of discipline that many more modern astrologers and curious lack. Working with less objects you naturally master what you have more. "

Fair enough and that is true

"I also disagree with her views that were mostly radical, but in everything she has told me there was something to take."

I respect that!

"I did agree with her about astrology not being a prediction tool though, which is probably why I unconsciously constantly “forget” to check my transits, especially after big events. Something in me resists the idea that there is something to see, a pattern, event, object… because I know the next step is to anticipate the result the next time you see it and I feel life is meant to be lived, not anticipated. I love planning, but not betting 😊"

I like looking at transits but totally respect your choice to set a boundary with that and get your reasoning and I do feel you have a point but also see value in checking transits personally bc transits trigger personal growth so it help me understand better what is going internally but obsessing about the future is not good, you are right, transits has its shadow side for sure.


"But when I see your chart, I do want to find a way to check up the transits without being “tainted” because it is amazing to be able to link a big life event to an aspect or asteroid, I’ll try to find some life event that was massive but doesn’t mean too much to me right now so I can experiment with what the sky said then, I’ll let you know about it 😊"

Uhhhh I am curious now...is cool to check transits after the fact but then you start to get curious about checking them in advance.

"I know that Pholus article, I didn’t mean to say Pholus isn’t powerful, just that it’s not as powerful as Saturn-Pluto at the moment. Imagine an explosion, bomb, classic and a nuclear explosion. Both are deadly and powerful, one is just bigger 😊 I do think Pholus is massive, but not a trigger."

Fair enough, I mean yeah! pluto conjunct saturn and jupiter is a hell of a BOMB lol, gotta laugh and have faith is happening for a reason this S*it storm...

"True, though right now, we are not “not working”, I don’t think it’s relevant to apply the world’s reaction right now, at the heart of the crisis, to the result of the lesson of the nodes. How we balance it is what we’ll do after the crisis, not during. Now we are not acting, we are reacting. And actually, how everything has sort of stopped (sort of, cause again, we have not stopped working, not entirely, humans will always work, we need to to feed ourselves, it’s inevitable) now seems to point out to a balance coming: you get into an excess, stop everything, then find your balance, it’s very organic. No need to rush it or interpret the transition as the result. Right now, we are struggling to stop a machine going awry, so that we can redirect it, reshape it, re-pace it. We bring it to a halt and when that is done, we can start it again at a sounder pace. When a car stops 5 inches from the cliff, it does go backward and eventually finds the road again, but first it stops 😊 "

I hear you and can agree with this and plus I love reframes and love that reframe a lot actually, again great analogy.

"I would agree if I could relate but honestly, I have never wanted to kill anyone or yell at anyone because of politics. I am not very political, I believe in things I see that are right or wrong, but no party, no side represents me so I never have a candidate I particularly believe in and end up quite accepting of many people my friends and family vote for."

I agree this does not apply to you at all, you are incredible.

"People against gay marriage don’t reject their children because they don’t think gay marriage is a good call, they reject that law and even their family because they can’t connect in the first place with the concept of homosexuality. We don’t fail to connect because we have political arguments, we have political arguments because we fail to connect."

hahahahahah and BAM, I mean that is actually a great point. Love it. Yeah that was some powerful truth there and still fits the whole southnode/northnode in cappy/Cancer thing...

Man you should turn that into a sticker and a T-shirt and spread that message! high five!

"This crisis does bring us together, it gave us something we all have to fight, regardless of our society, economy, skin colour…. The fact it doesn’t in effect bring us together and so many people fight over how to deal with it instead of supporting what is done to deal with it, is on us, not on the crisis or the effect."

That is fair to say and something to reflect on definitely but the thing is that we also have to disagree to keep stuff in check and getting to out of control but I also see what you are trying to say and you make some valid points.

"I don’t exactly see the link between the intern who ditched her dad cause he supported that excuse of a president and the crisis. My dad too has questionable political leanings, I have stopped a number of conversations with him because I don’t like being called lazy cause I earn **** when I in fact work 50-70 hours a week. I still talk to him but deflect questions about my work or income as I know I’m going to be judged in stupid ineffective and cruel ways from someone who didn’t do better."

Girl I am sorry, your dad sounds is failing majorly but I respect you keep in touch but also understand if you keep your distance too, whatever you decide I respect. I mean with the intern there is probably more to the story like how there is with you but she said she stopped talking to him just bc he voted for Trump and you don't like him I respect that but many people feel he has kept a lot of his promises so he has a made an effort to keep his promises to his supporters and there is honor in that when most politicians suck at keeping their promises but I digress.

"It has nothing to do with the fact I call him daily to make sure he does his 5 and keeps away from the virus."

Bless your heart! You love him and are a good daughter.

"I love your patient’s story 😊 I think quarantine will have different effects according to our situation, for some it’s positive time, like her, to reflect on life and reassess things, for others, it’s plain death (thinking of all the poor souls trapped in abusive relationships), for others like me it doesn’t "much,…. Being confined has us face our thoughts, if they’re angry, we’ll be angry, frustrated, sad… but if we regularly already confront ourselves, then this crisis doesn’t change much, we’ll be aware we were angry if we were aware we were angry lol"

Soooooooo true, I feel the same...

"I did do some counselling, as part of my therapy actually after I was raped, that was ages ago, I was very good at it but only with a specific kind of victims, others I was useless with, some I simply had nothing to say to and could only but vaguely listen to… I won’t disclose what I do now here, but it’s more subtle than this 😊"

yeah everyone is at a different place in their healing journey some people benefit more from therapy than others depending on were they are in their journey I feel.

Sorry to hear love that happened to you...

"The reason why healing others makes my pain shush is because it’s not about me. Plain and simple. When I talk to someone, when I do my job, I’m about the person, I wouldn’t notice if my hair was doing something funny or if I had stain on my blouse, because I’m literally not giving a **** about myself, just about the person I’m focusing on."

helping others is a great coping skill and yes it gives you perspective, that common humanity peace, you realize everyone has their pain and stuff, it also gets you out of your head and your own self-centered ways and that is very powerful.

"I don’t connect with my pain, or even my pleasure, my joy, because I don’t feel my emotions, I only tap into them as data to help me talk to someone who needs my guidance."

I love how you described Moon in Capricorn, hahahha so coool. I like moon in capricorn.

"I’m very rarely frustrated at work or miffed… I can take crazy amounts of criticism and respond calmly while a minimum amount in private would get me all worked up lol"

Interesting, maybe your IC ruler placement and aspects may explain this...

"You can’t nourish someone if you’re starving, so you have to find ways to feed yourself outside of that process. Only when you have done so, you can enter the virtual cycle of having what you give come back to you, but it’s not a direct thing, the people who nourish you are rarely those you have nourished, it’s more of a global karmic thing, you help people, other people help you, like a co-op lol I dance and it fills me with life, then I use that life to freely give others my time, craft… and that makes me tired so I want to dance so I do and I regenerate lol"

OMG you are so cute and you are right! Beautiful soul, bless you always, may you always have everything you need, you will be protected through this, you have a calling and your time is not up.

Lets dance girl!!!!!!!! We venus in leo folks love dancing

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posted April 16, 2020 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Significant other is repairing headphones he couldn't get himself to throw away like forever ago, tonight.

Tr Moon conjunct Mars in AQUARIUS on his MC opposite IC, Tr moon conjunct mars on his MC trine Venus in Gemini on his 1H. Again action, taking initiative theme.

Tr Mercury is opposing his SUN exact too.

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posted April 16, 2020 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tr moon conjunct mars in AQUARIUS on my 2H. I decided to leave the Facebook Howl at 8pm group. I feel spirituality and energetically Not aligned to it, I feel a strong desire to leave it so I will.

I left it and it feels good.

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posted April 16, 2020 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon sqaure Pluto
Mercury square ASC
Saturn transiting 9th house

Aw crap I need to renew my licence plate tabs. I am bent on getting my paper typed today so I can have a day to just focus on other things in my life tomorrow and give my self a day off from college and having to be anywhere.

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@Hypatia
Ooh you must love a whole lot of me, I use colourful metaphors ALL the time, everyone knows me for this lol hmmmm my mercury sextiles Uranus, Saturn is in the 3rd though, which could explain why my mind is either almost brilliant or pathetically constipated lol
My 5th is not connected to my Mercury, but I do identify with it a lot through my moon and my Rising/Venus so maybe it factors in somehow 😊

Nope! haha! Come on, Libra really? lol I’m not anywhere near that vanilla, no need for hard aspect to Pluto, I’m a Scorpio mars 😊 (conjunct my IC, square my Venus, sextile my moon and opposite my MC)

Exactly, I’ve been checking my solar return for a couple of years but it doesn’t particularly make me comfortable so… I’ll stick to after the fact for the moment

“I agree this does not apply to you at all, you are incredible.”
I don’t think I’m anything incredible, I just try to react logically, if someone has views they express for others to hear there are reasons, either the person fiercely believes in them or wants to convert… I don’t feel that way, so it gives me perspective and hindsight, from then on it’s very simple to understand that you don’t change people so instead of listening and talking for hours, look at what they do, someone attacks you, show them why they shouldn’t have, someone just rants, let them rant ^^

Hahaha, thanks, I’m just not a messenger kind of person, my heart is my only loudspeaker 😊

Disagree to keep things in check is a wholly American idea: checks and balances. I believe that if you self-apply the checks earlier on in the thinking process (for example: you decide human life is the one thing you don’t **** with) then you don’t need to disagree because you know you’re headed in the same direction and you can afford to trust your teammates even as you disagree. Happens at work all the time, I have learnt a HELL of a lot by going along with things I disagreed with because I trusted my colleagues, and you know what? The results were there and I learnt of other ways to do things in the process, most enriching thing ever. While if I had stuck to my disagreement and advanced doubt instead of trust, I would have sparked an argument and no one would have learnt anything because the project wouldn’t have been carried in a supportive atmosphere but in dissent and mistrust. Trust has been made a tool to enable deception by the common executive/sociopath, and that’s probably the worst our species has done. Trust is the key to real freedom.

Now, not something I actually want to discuss as I have very low stamina for those topics (I just don’t like politics I feel everything we do outside is a political act and it’s a much better way to do politics than talk about it, also there is no party that reflects how I truly feel as a human so no discussing really stimulates me as I both agree and disagree most of the time) but there is no particular honour in keeping one’s promises when your promises don’t just depend on you. Giving a politician credit just because he holds his promises is not appropriate at all, we should learn to crucify those who don’t (and then, sometimes they genuinely make promises they believe in and get a rain check when having access to the reality of the country’s means and relationships with other countries, you can’t discredit a politician because he wasn’t enough of a bully to impose a decision you liked that didn’t suit the UN for example). It’s too small a feature to make someone good/efficient and it certainly says nothing about the agenda in question. I’m pretty sure Hitler held a LOT of his promises, I still wouldn’t root for his political agenda.
People don’t hate those fascist leaders because they lack character, charisma, ambition or any other powerful character trait that is desirable in a leader, they are hated because their ideologies and politics are full of hatred and propagate it at the expanse of the human experience and human life.
It’s just so pathetic we still vote for men and not projects/ideas in 2020, it’s the Head of the country ffs, not Tinder, who cares he’s got a huge pair strapped on, if he’s an impulsive brat with racist ideas and an only uses his intelligence to gain profit and dominate, he’s not a good choice for the world. period.
If someone says “I'll kill you mofo” and they go ahead and kill you, I don’t think it makes any kind of sense to say “yes, but he did say he was going to kill me and he kept his promise so there is something to listen to there”. No, there isn’t. Ted Bundy would have been one promise away from freedom if all it takes to still be given an audience, socially, is to keep your promises regardless of how disgusting your actions are.
I’m not employee of the month because I show up at work, that’s basic, it’s everything that happens once I’m at work that matters, if I mess up, it’s bad. If a politician keeps promises that are detrimental to the well-being of the people of the country (not a handful of biasedly selected citizens such as wealthy white males), then he’s not to be admired, respected and certainly not trusted and voted for. Drive and results aren’t anything if the purpose and end in sight aren’t something to be desired. I can hear people supporting the current potus, I just won’t hear it’s because he has character or any other value, if you (not you-you, just general you lol) support him, you have a racist, selective vision of the world and want that extremist economical Darwinist vision to be enforced. Again, ok, just own to it and don’t tell me one may or may not agree with his political agenda but his keeping his word makes him someone to be heard, someone honourable, there’s no honour in putting money before people. That’s tosh. Him keeping to his terrible words is why it’s someone who should be stopped, Again, I’m fine with people who disagree with me, but it has to be done honestly. That man does not care about people, only about profit, domination… if he were at the head of a plastic factory and had to manage the machines, I’d vote for him in a heartbeat for the qualities you mentioned and everything else I’ve heard about him, but I wouldn’t be so stupid as to let him near HR and treat employees like machines. America has elected him president, I’m sorry there are many departments that man is not competent in, and global Presidency is one of them because it encompasses HR, Health, Education and every sector that does not amount to profit, and that man only knows profit, he’s all R and no H which is a poor destructive tendency our whole society suffers from (that cappy SN shadow); elevating that to the highest function is basically signing up for more of it when it is what most people complain about, even those who vote for these people and system, they blame Mexicans and disabled people and whatnot for taking up the money via social aid but the reality is the money sucking machine that makes their life the hell they’re angry about is the exact thing for which they vote with these blokes: treatment of human life as an item of business. If the system were fairer, immigrants and disadvantaged people would not need social aid, they would have the same freedom as fortunate citizens to earn enough money on their own and take care of themselves. It’s a little fact often forgotten but NO human being wakes up one morning going “hey, I’m going to do **** all from now on til the rest of my life and live on coupons and end up on the streets”. In fact the only people who consider doing **** all til the day they die are suppa duppa rich ones. The needy have never been blood sucking tics, this is the lie sold to many luckier (or blind) needy people that makes them vote for the orange head ‘s rage and radical “solutions” and then fall for the simple fact he kept his word. He shouldn’t keep it, his word is wrong and his agenda is awful, he can shove his word and actually keep it, to himself. I too can promise to be selfish, arrogant and uncaring, it’s a VERY easy to fulfil promise for a human being. Learning to go potty is much harder.
There’s just something counter-sensitive to what human life is in these reasonings and people, I simply can’t relate to and refuse to validate into expanding on the ground of ‘word keeping’ as their growth is always destructive.

back to your patient, it is perfectly acceptable that she’d stop talking to her father on such grounds. I don’t know what was the relationship before, what’s it made of, why she’s doing it (maybe she’s actually doing that to trigger a response…) but we’re talking about radical political views, reacting to those in a radical way is not my way but I understand it, it does make sense. I was in a relationship with a trader long ago and I had to break up. He was good to me, but he went to work every day to destroy lives from the comfort of his glass office and avoided looking in the mirror because he either looked at a screen or was partying or buying stuff or spending time with me. I felt like I was sleeping with a murderer whose hands were washed by the system. It reeked.
I think it’s funny you’re shocked by your patient’s radical response, but consider the tempering of the potus’ radical actions at a national level because he “keeps his promises”. Maybe she, too, keeps a promise to herself to never be associated or tolerate the spreading of such ideas in any way shape or form. Ever thought of it that way? Morality and integrity are mostly promises we make to ourselves, what happens when those come to clash with our sense of family or what our hearts want? We need to make tough decisions. Your patient made one, I respect that as much as I see the potus’ balls. But hers is made on human principles, his and his followers made on the spreading of fear, hatred and basic shadow needs of power and dominion. I know which side sounds more enticing lol

Yes, I always tell people TRY therapy but don’t feel bad if it doesn’t work sometimes it’s the therapist, sometimes it’s just not our thing. I know some things I worked on beautifully in therapy and with others therapy caused more pain than the ordeal itself. It happens. But I couldn’t be a therapist because of the money thing. I don’t judge it, but to me it feels wrong being paid for that. It’s weird, I’m not sure I can really explain it, but it’s how I feel. I do recommend people to therapists I know all the time though.

I wouldn’t call it coping, I worked in an office for years before I turned to job that encompassed a notion of healing, because I didn’t want healing to heal me, I was afraid it would become toxic and I would subconsciously use or simply revel in the position of power it entails.
I waited to have healed from my own need to heal to turn to others and I think it’s why it works. I really don’t do it for myself.

I love my moon. My Moon, my Sun and my Mars are me I think. 😊

"I’m very rarely frustrated at work or miffed… I can take crazy amounts of criticism and respond calmly while a minimum amount in private would get me all worked up lol"
Interesting, maybe your IC ruler placement and aspects may explain this...

hmmm my IC is conjunct my Mars and Pallas, my Pluto sextiles my venus/AC but squares my Moon and it’s of course conjunct Saturn 😊

thanks, you’re so sweet 😊
Ha, I always thought the love of dance came from Earth, celebration of the bodies, but I love the idea of Leo venus 😊

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Tr Moon in Aquarius and Tr Mars in aquarius in the 2H is really bringing to the forth my values and making me want to be around like minded folks. I think Pisces/Neptune is more about the collective and Aquarius is more tribal.

2H ruler Aquarius conjunct Chart ruler Jupiter in the 12H

Tr Mars in aquarius
Tr Moon in aquarius

Is Bringing out my strong values around freedom.

Live Free or Die.

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Trans Mercury in Aries is in the 12th but applying to conjunct Asc 20 Degrees opp Mars in Libra by 2 degree orb in the 6th.

If I am unusually snappy or critical of anyone on this forum during the time its between 17 Aries and 25 Aries, please be mindful that my tongue is likely sharp at around this juncture.

Mercury in Aries is also square natal Mercury in Cap, square natal Moon in Cancer and applying to trine Jupiter.

So there'll be some dose of rambling added therein for good measure too 😳

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Trans Mercury in Aries is in the 12th but applying to conjunct Asc 20 Degrees opp Mars in Libra by 2 degree orb in the 6th.

If I am unusually snappy or critical of anyone on this forum during the time its between 17 Aries and 25 Aries, please be mindful that my tongue is likely sharp at around this juncture.

Mercury in Aries is also square natal Mercury in Cap, square natal Moon in Cancer and applying to trine Jupiter.

So there'll be some dose of rambling added therein for good measure too 😳


Mercury is closing in on my Mercury. I haven't been snappy, but I don't know if anyone took anything I've said that way. someone tried to argue with me on twitter yesterday, and I just shut it down, said I wasn't going to do that. I was supposed to be snippy over the past couple of days, but I haven't been. So I hope you fare better, too.

It would be nice to fix my sleep schedule. I managed it for one day, and then I couldn't sleep, so it was lost again.

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Originally posted by teasel:
Mercury is closing in on my Mercury. I haven't been snappy, but I don't know if anyone took anything I've said that way. someone tried to argue with me on twitter yesterday, and I just shut it down, said I wasn't going to do that. I was supposed to be snippy over the past couple of days, but I haven't been. So I hope you fare better, too.

It would be nice to fix my sleep schedule. I managed it for one day, and then I couldn't sleep, so it was lost again.


What house is it transiting?

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
What house is it transiting?

My 6th.

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