posted February 09, 2020 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Well, I got a haircut when Ven made its ingress into Aries. Looking like a sexy beast now Nothing that deep like you am afraid.

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hahahahah well high five to your sexy beast hair cut

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I wonder though if everyone goes through two transits like I do? I feel like when a planet ingresses into a new sign, that is one transit.

Then when it moves on the cusp of a house, that is another transit. Perhaps "doubling down" on the initial.

For example, Venus in Aries at 0 degrees is Venus energy literally at its primal stage. It makes sense that you and your hubby would quarrel.

I however didn't have a quarrel, I ran errands that I have long been putting off. So in my case, it provided stamina.

It affects my 1st house in the whole sign system.So getting a haircut(aesthetics) makes sense to me-since its like starting over.

But when it goes into my Placidus 1st house, it will be at 20 Degrees Aries. So it's not there yet.And yet i feel the effects still.

I see this pattern also with outer planet transits shifting signs. The latest being Uranus in 2nd house-uncertain financial situation or uncertainty about where my pay will come etc. I am experiencing that now.

But Taurus 2nd house cusp is 24 deg of Taurus. So its not even there yet and still the effects of Uranus in the 2nd cannot be ignored.

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I love your theory on this! I think you could very well be unto something. I definitely feel it when a sign is at aries point and it interacts somehow with my chart even if with an asteroid, its definitely a strong energy so it makes sense you can start to feel its impact in the context of the house cusp it is in even before it necessarily hits the house cusp. The theme starts to show up and once it hits the house cusp it marks a turning point so a lot can go down before it hits the house cusp if is a slow transit that dominated a good portion of the last house but I think that yes you feel the theme of the house cusp play out once it enters aries point! This is a actually really important what you are describing and I agree with you...

Based on your theory if Capricorn dominates my 1H even though it rules my 2H cusp when Pluto was transiting my 1H is like I already did a lot of the 2h house work even before it started to hit my 2H cusp but perhaps in a way that served the 1H somehow but also while it was serving the 2H so a bit like a dual transit effect. This fits bc I did have a PLUTO in the 2H crisis while it was in my 1H, I thought it had to do with Saturn ruling my 2H which conjuncts my Pluto and this crisis happened shortly after my Saturn return but now I am realizing that what you are saying played a significant role because I agree when Pluto entered capricorn it started to behave more like a pluto in the 2H transit than a Pluto in the 1H house transit!

posted February 10, 2020 01:55 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I love your theory on this! I think you could very well be unto something. I definitely feel it when a sign is at aries point and it interacts somehow with my chart even if with an asteroid, its definitely a strong energy so it makes sense you can start to feel its impact in the context of the house cusp it is in even before it necessarily hits the house cusp. The theme starts to show up and once it hits the house cusp it marks a turning point so a lot can go down before it hits the house cusp if is a slow transit that dominated a good portion of the last house but I think that yes you feel the theme of the house cusp play out once it enters aries point! This is a actually really important what you are describing and I agree with you...

Based on your theory if Capricorn dominates my 1H even though it rules my 2H cusp when Pluto was transiting my 1H is like I already did a lot of the 2h house work even before it started to hit my 2H cusp but perhaps in a way that served the 1H somehow but also while it was serving the 2H so a bit like a dual transit effect. This fits bc I did have a PLUTO in the 2H crisis while it was in my 1H, I thought it had to do with Saturn ruling my 2H which conjuncts my Pluto and this crisis happened shortly after my Saturn return but now I am realizing that what you are saying played a significant role because I agree when Pluto entered capricorn it started to behave more like a pluto in the 2H transit than a Pluto in the 1H house transit!

I mean you are on to something for sure...definitely makes this whole transit thing more interesting and multidimensional and I feel more accurate.

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Well thank you for this. At least now i know I am not imagining stuff.Lol

This however opens up another can of worms to ponder on.

Consider for instance that since you have late Sag rising. The Aries cardinal point Cap 0 starts in the 1st house for you.

#the Aries cardinal points are still referred to as "Aries"-This even when at 0Cap,0Lib or 0Can.

So the ingress of any planet going to Sag (according to Placidus) would start in the 12th-since Sag 0 is likely in the 12th.

Would then that not mean that as a "Sag rising", your expression of that energy is influenced by the 12th? Since a majority of Sag is in the 12th?

Maybe you are not as boisterous or carefree as the typical Sag Asc?

Maybe you are a lot more introverted than the typical Sag Asc?

Maybe you are not as loose lipped as would be with the typical Sag Asc?

There perhaps could be difficulty in "recognizing" the other "Sag" qualities because they are dominating the 12th house and not the 1st?

Cap 0 cardinal point is in your 1st house however. With Cap energy dominating the 1st house.

So despite your Sag Asc(Which I do not deny at all), you respond in more mature way that is atypical of Sag.

Perhaps even having you also identify with Cap rising traits or find Cap energy "familiar" somehow? Because it dominates the 1st house(Placidus)?

That all changes ofcourse with the whole sign system. You are Sag rising throughout and will express the instinctive qualities of Sag like a "unconditioned" child would.

But I find this presumptuous for the whole sign to state this in such an emphatic way i.e that a Sag 24 degrees is "the same" as a Sag 4 degrees?

From a spiritual perspective, I see the Sag 24 Asc "waking" throughout their lives from the "slumber" of the majority of their Sag energy in the 12th.

So for the Sag 24, it would be harder for them to fully acknowledge, act out or recognize the instinctive adhoc energy of Sag. Not like a Sag 4 degrees Asc would.

And I think that this would possibly explain why people who are born in a late degree sign feel like their sign energy expression is "fragmented" or not wholly integrated in a readily recognizable way within the adhoc personality(Asc)?

In other words,those born on a "cusp" or close to it, often feel like they are "confused" because they feel the energy of the sign ahead and then sometimes the energy of the sign before. Sometimes even both at the same time.

This would be in keeping with the 12th house majority energy of the Asc sign state of confusion(for those who has majority energy of their sign in the 12th)

As they are still "waking" to those forgotten degrees in the 12th house. And transits by sign that touch that 0 Sag degree point will "remind" them of who they really are.

So the whole sign system may infact serve as a great starting point to assess someone's rising sign definitively.

Then the Placidus would add a spiritual perspective and specifics by zooming in on the degree I.e which large aspects of the burgeoning self(Asc) are still being denied or will be "woke" throughout the natal chart owner's life.

Like those who are born with Pisces 27 Degrees in Placidus have the Aries 0 cardinal point enveloped in their 1st house and a majority of Aries energy there.

So there may be an uncharacteristically boisterous,impetuous or foolhardy expression of the instinctive self(Asc) that would be considered "atypical" of Pisces rising.

These Pisces rising would be the type to p*** people off,come across very strong or be the type to get into fist fights,twitter wars,verbal spats etc.

Its like they instinctively fight a lot-very reminiscent of Aries expression. And the spiritual perspective for them would be to be "woke" to the gentle,flexible & accommodating approach of Pisces energy.

In other words,they have "forgotten" the expression of the other 26 degrees of Pisces that are likely in their 12th house.

But a transit of Neptune in Pisces 0 degrees, is significant. This transit (especially at this point) is the first "wave" of energy that reminds them of whom they really are.

The second thorough wave is when it arcs to conjunct their Asc axis at 27Degrees. They will recall the Pisces energy enveloping them in a very visceral way.

A good example that adds a layer to all of this is Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is late Leo 29 Degree Asc. Yes the Leo 0 point is in the 12th house with majority Virgo affecting Donald's house 1.

But is Donald also exhibiting the traits of a humble,self effacing man like a Virgo? NO. And that is maybe because Mars conjuncts the 1st house Asc cusp closely.

So this energy of Mars in Leo would be like a reminder natally to him I.e "You are Leo Rising".And it would impose itself (Mars) in a way that is consistent with both Aries 1st house energy and Leo combined.

Donald would not need to be "woke" to his Leo 28 Degrees in the 12th house at all. Mars conj Asc serves that purpose as a proverbial "permanent" transit by being in the natal.

Transits to Leo 0,Sco 0,Tau 0,Aqu 0 are important for Donald. Even as they may not necessarily be conjunct the angles.

Isn't it interesting that his impeachment trial commenced on the 18th of Dec 2019 when Uranus was retrograde at 2 degrees Taurus?

And the proceedings were finally resolved with an acquittal on both counts about 4 days ago (6th of Feb 2020)-when Uranus in Taurus was stationery at 2 Degrees.

I believe his wife Malania also has her Sun in Taurus close to the Tau 0 degree point.Its 5 degrees of Taurus.

Come to think of it,I suspect her Sun rules her 4th house or is in the 4th house. Which would make her Tau Asc or Aqua Asc.

If Tau Asc,her mate's(7th house Sco) career(10 houses from the 7th is Leo Ic)was uncertain these past 3 months.

So her position in the white house(Ic Leo) was uncertain.As the Sun rules the Ic and Uranus retrograde on her Sun would affect her natal Ic-shaky ground.

If Asc in Aqu,her mate's (7th in Leo) career(10th from the 7th is Tau Ic)is uncertain(Uranus).

So her stay at the white house(Tau Ic) would be up in the air (Uranus transiting the Ic).

Sun in Taurus in 4th would also explain her reluctance/slowness into stepping into or embracing the First lady role.

posted February 10, 2020 07:26 PM            

I'm trying to think of my own transits. I've wondered about equal house, where all of my transits would start close to the beginning of each sign and house - one right after the other.

posted February 10, 2020 08:56 PM            

Neptune 17*25' 4"

5th House - Pisces - 17°58'35

So maybe it's been hovering there for a while. I was so focused on Saturn/Pluto and the eclipses, that I forgot about that.

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posted February 10, 2020 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Well thank you for this. At least now i know I am not imagining stuff.Lol

This however opens up another can of worms to ponder on.

Consider for instance that since you have late Sag rising. The Aries cardinal point Cap 0 starts in the 1st house for you.

#the Aries cardinal points are still referred to as "Aries"-This even when at 0Cap,0Lib or 0Can.

So the ingress of any planet going to Sag (according to Placidus) would start in the 12th-since Sag 0 is likely in the 12th.

Would then that not mean that as a "Sag rising", your expression of that energy is influenced by the 12th? Since a majority of Sag is in the 12th?

Maybe you are not as boisterous or carefree as the typical Sag Asc?

Maybe you are a lot more introverted than the typical Sag Asc?

Maybe you are not as loose lipped as would be with the typical Sag Asc?

There perhaps could be difficulty in "recognizing" the other "Sag" qualities because they are dominating the 12th house and not the 1st?

Cap 0 cardinal point is in your 1st house however. With Cap energy dominating the 1st house.

So despite your Sag Asc(Which I do not deny at all), you respond in more mature way that is atypical of Sag.

Perhaps even having you also identify with Cap rising traits or find Cap energy "familiar" somehow? Because it dominates the 1st house(Placidus)?

That all changes ofcourse with the whole sign system. You are Sag rising throughout and will express the instinctive qualities of Sag like a "unconditioned" child would.

But I find this presumptuous for the whole sign to state this in such an emphatic way i.e that a Sag 24 degrees is "the same" as a Sag 4 degrees?

From a spiritual perspective, I see the Sag 24 Asc "waking" throughout their lives from the "slumber" of the majority of their Sag energy in the 12th.

So for the Sag 24, it would be harder for them to fully acknowledge, act out or recognize the instinctive adhoc energy of Sag. Not like a Sag 4 degrees Asc would.

And I think that this would possibly explain why people who are born in a late degree sign feel like their sign energy expression is "fragmented" or not wholly integrated in a readily recognizable way within the adhoc personality(Asc)?

In other words,those born on a "cusp" or close to it, often feel like they are "confused" because they feel the energy of the sign ahead and then sometimes the energy of the sign before. Sometimes even both at the same time.

This would be in keeping with the 12th house majority energy of the Asc sign state of confusion(for those who has majority energy of their sign in the 12th)

As they are still "waking" to those forgotten degrees in the 12th house. And transits by sign that touch that 0 Sag degree point will "remind" them of who they really are.

So the whole sign system may infact serve as a great starting point to assess someone's rising sign definitively.

Then the Placidus would add a spiritual perspective and specifics by zooming in on the degree I.e which large aspects of the burgeoning self(Asc) are still being denied or will be "woke" throughout the natal chart owner's life.

Like those who are born with Pisces 27 Degrees in Placidus have the Aries 0 cardinal point enveloped in their 1st house and a majority of Aries energy there.

So there may be an uncharacteristically boisterous,impetuous or foolhardy expression of the instinctive self(Asc) that would be considered "atypical" of Pisces rising.

These Pisces rising would be the type to p*** people off,come across very strong or be the type to get into fist fights,twitter wars,verbal spats etc.

Its like they instinctively fight a lot-very reminiscent of Aries expression. And the spiritual perspective for them would be to be "woke" to the gentle,flexible & accommodating approach of Pisces energy.

In other words,they have "forgotten" the expression of the other 26 degrees of Pisces that are likely in their 12th house.

But a transit of Neptune in Pisces 0 degrees, is significant. This transit (especially at this point) is the first "wave" of energy that reminds them of whom they really are.

The second thorough wave is when it arcs to conjunct their Asc axis at 27Degrees. They will recall the Pisces energy enveloping them in a very visceral way.

A good example that adds a layer to all of this is Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is late Leo 29 Degree Asc. Yes the Leo 0 point is in the 12th house with majority Virgo affecting Donald's house 1.

But is Donald also exhibiting the traits of a humble,self effacing man like a Virgo? NO. And that is maybe because Mars conjuncts the 1st house Asc cusp closely.

So this energy of Mars in Leo would be like a reminder natally to him I.e "You are Leo Rising".And it would impose itself (Mars) in a way that is consistent with both Aries 1st house energy and Leo combined.

Donald would not need to be "woke" to his Leo 28 Degrees in the 12th house at all. Mars conj Asc serves that purpose as a proverbial "permanent" transit by being in the natal.

Transits to Leo 0,Sco 0,Tau 0,Aqu 0 are important for Donald. Even as they may not necessarily be conjunct the angles.

Isn't it interesting that his impeachment trial commenced on the 18th of Dec 2019 when Uranus was retrograde at 2 degrees Taurus?

And the proceedings were finally resolved with an acquittal on both counts about 4 days ago (6th of Feb 2020)-when Uranus in Taurus was stationery at 2 Degrees.

I believe his wife Malania also has her Sun in Taurus close to the Tau 0 degree point.Its 5 degrees of Taurus.

Come to think of it,I suspect her Sun rules her 4th house or is in the 4th house. Which would make her Tau Asc or Aqua Asc.

If Tau Asc,her mate's(7th house Sco) career(10 houses from the 7th is Leo Ic)was uncertain these past 3 months.

So her position in the white house(Ic Leo) was uncertain.As the Sun rules the Ic and Uranus retrograde on her Sun would affect her natal Ic-shaky ground.

If Asc in Aqu,her mate's (7th in Leo) career(10th from the 7th is Tau Ic)is uncertain(Uranus).

So her stay at the white house(Tau Ic) would be up in the air (Uranus transiting the Ic).

Sun in Taurus in 4th would also explain her reluctance/slowness into stepping into or embracing the First lady role.

She has stated many times that she is a homebody/loves being a mom and private.

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I have thoroughly enjoyed your thoughts and in depth analysis on this! You are really tickle-ling my brain in the right spot LOL, sorry kind of flirting with a gay guy right now but I am totally just messing around...blame my DC in Gemini for this

I have been reading this post throughout the day, different sections at a time bc I feel it deserves for me to read it slowly and take my time with it, like gourmet food you want to chew slowly to make sure you catch with your tongue all the different flavors that are causing an orgasmic explosion in your mouth and capture the work of art the chef put into it...LOL

Thank you for sharing your brain+intuition with me on this

posted February 11, 2020 12:28 AM              

Awhile back, I started a thread outlining why I believe that Capricorn is likely ruled by both Saturn and Uranus. For one example, it is the only sign pair that shares a traditional ruler that is right next to each other. Very odd/out of the pattern. Capricorn is also a Yin/Feminine Sign, and Saturn clearly is more Yang polarized. Uranus however, that of the psychic/intuitive, has a definite Yin side. One cannot be strongly intuitive, in a receiving/sensitive way, without some Yin attunement. Capricorn IS most definitely, one of the intuitive/psychic signs of the Zodiac--just not to the degree that Aquarius and especially Pisces is.

If Hypatia's chart had like 0 degree Cap Rising, not only would Sagittarius be powerfully cusping/blending into her Asc, but one of her chart rulers, Uranus, would be in Sagittarius and conjunct Jupiter in the 12th.

She would be like an uber, super hybrid of Cap and Sag, with a good dose of Scorpio/Pluto/Libra thrown in as well via Saturn placements/aspects.

The thing that keeps bringing me back to very early Cap Rising besides the obvious Cap aspects of the looks, is how many people with strong Cap she is close with. It cannot be well explained otherwise.

Sag and Cap get along as about as well as oil and water do--very little. Strong Sagittarius energy, in and of itself, tends to dislike and misunderstand strong Capricorn (it's the next Sign, and Sagittarius is extremely unconscious to Capricorn energies/themes). There is nothing else in the chart that goes along with Cap strongly, except the Virgo placements somewhat. Cusping from 23/24 degrees Sag isn't quite enough in and of itself either.

Anyways, I don't think people have considered the Uranus part of the equation here, which is why I brought it up. Uranus in Sag conjunct Jupiter in same, in the 12th House, would along with the Neptune conjunct the Asc, indicate a VERY powerful pattern of spiritual focus for her, and overall would give a strong flavor of a Piscean like vibe since both Neptune and Jupiter are so highlighted at the same time (which is only further strengthened by the Pisces Moon--Pisces being ruled by both Jupiter and Neptune. See, we are seeing over arching and repeating patterns develop here).

Both Jupiter and Neptune are faster vibratory symbols than Uranus. However, they are all inclined to the unusual, the psychic/intuitive, etc to some degree. Jupiter is strong willed and minded like Uranus, but generally more reasonable about things (not near as fixed/stubborn as Uranus).

posted February 11, 2020 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
^^We have the decans, too - just responding to one small part, about the beginning of Sadge not being the same as 24 Sadge. I'm a Sagittarius decan Aries, apparently on the more relaxed side of the sign, but first decan Gemini for Moon/Venus, which is probably more neurotic.

I'm trying to think of my own transits. I've wondered about equal house, where all of my transits would start close to the beginning of each sign and house - one right after the other.

*edit. Neptune will soon enter my Placidus 5th house, so I'll either come back and tell you if anything happens in regards to 5th house things, or you'll get to see a meltdown that's fitting, and remind me of the transit.

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posted February 11, 2020 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Neptune is closer than I thought, to my 5th house cusp:

Neptune 17*25' 4"

5th House - Pisces - 17°58'35

So maybe it's been hovering there for a while. I was so focused on Saturn/Pluto and the eclipses, that I forgot about that.

Positive side for relationships: maybe I'll loosen up a bit, and let my guard down enough for a relationship.
Negative side: maybe I'll loosen up too much, and end up in a situation I've been trying to avoid my entire life.

A certain someone didn't disappear, but we're being really careful around each other -- too careful. I think I'm so used to waiting for something bad to happen, or for someone to get tired of me, like or dislike me, that I forget I can do something, too. I've advised at least three women to ask someone a question about what's bothering them, in the past week, so I asked my own question on Thursday night/Friday morning, and brought up something else earlier on. I like being in touch with him, but I don't like things being so cryptic. Of course, he told me he loved me, and I thought, "It's a transit, it will pass." Not exactly the response he was looking for. I don't want to talk about him here, this is just what I'm thinking about. He knows what's going on with me, we talked right around the new year. I put it out there, and it was a good talk.

Positive side for creativity: maybe I'll start drawing again. Painting, just getting back into it, to see if it helps me to relax. It was the one place I wasn't scared of anything, growing up. I wanted to try everything, and was sure that I would have a creative career.

I'll edit some of this out.

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Neptune in any house is the high possibility of having ones blinders on.

I see this planet as a chance of being blindsided in the area of life that it is transiting in. Or atleast not getting the full story etc.

I have it transiting my 11th house and so far I have been expecting revelations from friends or associated groups that are far from what I expected.

I don't have anything explosive to share.But the transit is ongoing. So....

Neptune was transiting the 5th house cusp of someone I know when he was diagnosed with a sexually transmitted disease.

He had gotten the diagnoses after a failed relationship with a lover whom he thought he was in a committed relationship with(theme here being deception).

Back then Neptune was still in Aqua. Saturn (co-ruler) was also transiting his Sun during the same period by conjunction in Leo.

posted February 11, 2020 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have thoroughly enjoyed your thoughts and in depth analysis on this! You are really tickle-ling my brain in the right spot LOL, sorry kind of flirting with a gay guy right now but I am totally just messing around...blame my DC in Gemini for this

I have been reading this post throughout the day, different sections at a time bc I feel it deserves for me to read it slowly and take my time with it, like gourmet food you want to chew slowly to make sure you catch with your tongue all the different flavors that are causing an orgasmic explosion in your mouth and capture the work of art the chef put into it...LOL

Thank you for sharing your brain+intuition with me on this

I will comment more on this post tomorrow as is getting late for me and gotta go to bed soon

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Its all good.

posted February 11, 2020 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
There is a potential alternative as well, and probably one that no one here but I have considered.

Awhile back, [b]I started a thread outlining why I believe that Capricorn is likely ruled by both Saturn and Uranus. For one example, it is the only sign pair that shares a traditional ruler that is right next to each other. Very odd/out of the pattern. Capricorn is also a Yin/Feminine Sign, and Saturn clearly is more Yang polarized. Uranus however, that of the psychic/intuitive, has a definite Yin side. One cannot be strongly intuitive, in a receiving/sensitive way, without some Yin attunement. Capricorn IS most definitely, one of the intuitive/psychic signs of the Zodiac--just not to the degree that Aquarius and especially Pisces is.

If Hypatia's chart had like 0 degree Cap Rising, not only would Sagittarius be powerfully cusping/blending into her Asc, but one of her chart rulers, Uranus, would be in Sagittarius and conjunct Jupiter in the 12th.

She would be like an uber, super hybrid of Cap and Sag, with a good dose of Scorpio/Pluto/Libra thrown in as well via Saturn placements/aspects.

The thing that keeps bringing me back to very early Cap Rising besides the obvious Cap aspects of the looks, is how many people with strong Cap she is close with. It cannot be well explained otherwise.

Sag and Cap get along as about as well as oil and water do--very little. Strong Sagittarius energy, in and of itself, tends to dislike and misunderstand strong Capricorn (it's the next Sign, and Sagittarius is extremely unconscious to Capricorn energies/themes). There is nothing else in the chart that goes along with Cap strongly, except the Virgo placements somewhat. Cusping from 23/24 degrees Sag isn't quite enough in and of itself either.

Anyways, I don't think people have considered the Uranus part of the equation here, which is why I brought it up. Uranus in Sag conjunct Jupiter in same, in the 12th House, would along with the Neptune conjunct the Asc, indicate a VERY powerful pattern of spiritual focus for her, and overall would give a strong flavor of a Piscean like vibe since both Neptune and Jupiter are so highlighted at the same time (which is only further strengthened by the Pisces Moon--Pisces being ruled by both Jupiter and Neptune. See, we are seeing over arching and repeating patterns develop here).

Both Jupiter and Neptune are faster vibratory symbols than Uranus. However, they are all inclined to the unusual, the psychic/intuitive, etc to some degree. Jupiter is strong willed and minded like Uranus, but generally more reasonable about things (not near as fixed/stubborn as Uranus). [/B]

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Hmm....perhaps to consider Cap rising as proposed, we'd have to ask her if Saturn's transit into Cap in 2018 was significant at all? Add to that Pluto's ingress into Cap in 2008.

Then look at Pluto's ingress into Sag in 96. And then Saturn's ingress into Sag in 2014.

posted February 11, 2020 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmm....perhaps to consider Cap rising as proposed, we'd have to ask her if Saturn's transit into Cap in 2018 was significant at all? Add to that Pluto's ingress into Cap in 2008.

Then look at Pluto's ingress into Sag in 96. And then Saturn's ingress into Sag in 2014.

Jupiter moved to Cap in late 2019. So look at that too?Whilst also consider that it was in Sag in Nov 2017.

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Great follow up questions to help me explore this....

Regardless of whether I have cap rising at 0 degrees or Sag rising at 23-24 degrees your previous post on transits I feel is right on.

When Transit Saturn in Cap was conjunct my potential AC in Cappy in 2018 it did trigger a crisis that impacted my husband even more than me but it impacted us both and could have impacted me just as much potentially but got lucky bc saturn rewarded my efforts, Tr saturn was starting to complete a tsquare with his Sun square Moon in Cancer too to be fair. With AC in Cappy at 0 degrees his Sun would conjunct tightly my MC and his Moon would conjunct my DC.

When Transit pluto entered Capricorn at 0 degrees I graduated with my bachelor's degree and quickly started working at an agency as a social worker, I also moved in with my now husband full time and we got a place together, I become independent from my family you could say and flew from my parent's nest. To be fair Tr Uranus was also conjuncting my MOON when all this went down along with Tr Pluto conjuncting my potential AC in Cappy. There were lots of changes happening for sure.

When tr jupiter was in saggy at 29 degrees late last year we bought a new truck, a car for him. It could be that when something hits my potential AC it also activates my DC so it impacts him, add his MOON is near my DC and tightly squares my MC (if I have cappy rising).

posted February 12, 2020 11:01 AM            

His take on the Asc being the burgeoning self that the native is "waking" into-hence the name "Rising" etc. lead me to have a new perspective on what the Asc is.

I have always suspected it to be something "adhoc" and what one would refer to as "unprepared state" that comes to the surface.

Consider these differences that I noted between the Asc in approach/personality. They are not exhaustive.

Earth/Air Asc

*Have a built-in detachment I.e there is a distinction between "I" and "them". As a result,these Asc don't "personalise" things much. They don't get defensive or all up in the feelings as quickly.

*They prefer boundaries, lines and borders between them and other people I.e they agree to disagree and have opinions separate from others whom they can still co-exist with.

*Seem to have built in or intrinsic logic that makes them able to deal effectively with the tangibles that life presents i.e appear quite comfortable with the workings of real life. computers,engineering,construction,law & order,admin work,rules & regulations of society,social constructs etc.

*Are essentially quite pleasant on the surface but somehow aloof.Friendly but not necessarily personable.They dont share personal feelings readily.

* Good at explaining more technically sophisticated concepts & ideas.

Fire/Water Asc

*These people personalize things and relate to the world ro them in a very "what is this in relation to me" way.

*Can easily overstep boundaries & instinctively look to collapse the distance between them and others i.e "merge".

*Can be very angry when life doesn't go their way i.e likely to throw tantrums because they don't want/fail to appreciate the nitty gritty or "process" aspect of things.

*Don't like to concern themselves too much with the details of this world I.e interested more in discoveries than mantaining "what is".

*Can easily jump to conclusions because they short circuit information to get to the crux.

*They prefer an "overall" view than a detailed approach.They can be bored/ overwhelmed by too much detail.

posted February 12, 2020 12:24 PM              

In the latter case, things get more complicated, complex, and relative. This is what makes it more confusing for people to figure out, because they can relate to different sides of both.

If Uranus is a co-ruler of Capricorn, and if she does have say like a 0 to 1 degree Cap Rising, it would become even more complex and relative, since Uranus is not only in Sagittarius but also conjunct Jupiter at the same time. So is really strengthening the Sag/Jupiter side of things as well even beyond the close cusping.

This is why earlier I referred to it as a uber/super cusping/blending case.

But besides her many and strong connections to folks with strong Capricorn--she also has tended to have strong connections with people with strong Scorpio and/or Pluto, which is very much strengthened/highlighted with a Cap Rising since the faster moving, traditional ruler, Saturn, is in Scorpio and closely conjunct Pluto.

That combined with the close Leo Venus-Mars conjunction in the 8th, would also highlight the strong sexual, in a merging type way, focus that she has talked about here, as well.

Sagittarius is sort of in the middle when it comes to sex drive and focus. It's neither in the Leo, Scorpio, Aries, and Taurus (Taurus often starts out rather lusty, but can become rather passive and lazy in this area over time) camp of super strong focus and desires, but neither is quite in the Aquarius, Pisces camp of much less focus and desire in that area. Sagittarius is sort of in between.

Now a Cap Rising with Saturn in Scorpio closely conjunct Pluto AND close Leo Venus-Mars conjunction the 8th... this will tend to be a person who DEEPLY desires (really so more craves) a very deep, connective sexual merging with others, especially those that they love and feel very connected to.

Sag Rising with Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12th..more "take it or leave it" kind of pattern when it comes to sex and to merging in that deeply intimate kind of way.

Also, did you see the pic of her she shared?! She does not look like a archetypal Sag Rising in a primary sense. In Caucasians, Sag Rising (in the archetypal sense), tends to be the tallest Sign, tends to have a rather long face, large and long head, almost horsey like look especially in the mouth, tends to a more Celtic or Germanic type complexion, tends to have rather large/wide hips and/or emphasized butt--especially in the women.

On the other hand, Cap Rising is known to correlate with shorter, more slender-more bony, and more darker complected type bodies. It's very clear that strong Capricorn is blending in there and most like as the "base", from a purely looks perspective. At the same time, I do see "some" Sag blending in, but that can come from the cusping. The question is, what is more predominant overall--and to me, that is clearly Capricorn.

We are often kind of subjective when it comes to personality traits and character (as critics of astrology often point to quite a bit), but our physical looks are an objective fact that no amount of belief or perception changes all that much in the basics.

From a very holistically logical place, it seems more apparent that she most likely has Cap Rising with both Sag and Jupiter strongly/powerfully blending in.

I have no dog (attachment) in the whole thing either way. In a personal sense, I could really care less which is the Rising Sign or not. But it just seems clear to me that Cap is more likely when we look at it from a very multi leveled and holistic perspective (which is my specialty in astrology).

The only thing that to me that fits the Sag Rising better, is that this puts Pisces Moon closely square the Asc, and this would correlate well with the larger than usual (especially for her frame), chest.

However, there is this odd thing that sometimes happens with Rising Signs in relation to the opposite Sign. Sometimes there is like a reflex/mirroring thing that happens between these pair of complementary signs.

Cancer rules the breast/chest area (among other things), and of course, Capricorn and Cancer are opposite/complimentary Signs (very tied in with each other in other words). It's possible that this is related less to the Water Moon square and more to that reflex-opposite polarity thing that sometimes happens.

I've seen it with other Rising Signs in relation to their oppposite Signs. Sometimes Libra Rising has something marked or highlighted about their head (Aries), some Scorpio has something with their throat or neck (Taurus), oftentimes Taurus Rising is unusually well endowed or smaller than average (Scorpio), sometimes Aquarius Rising has spine or heart (Leo) things going on, Leo has circulation or ankle things going on (Aquarius--true in my case, I've had an ankle issue/focus), etc, etc

This is because, in a sense, these opposite-complementary Signs, are very much a part of each other, like two sides of the same coin. Or the two different polarities of an equally strong or sized magnet. The primary focus will be on the actual parts of the body that the Rising Sign rules, but sometimes the part(s) of the body ruled by the opposite Sign also gets highlighted in that odd, reflex action as well.

posted February 12, 2020 01:25 PM            

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These distinctions work well and more for those who have Asc towards the middle degrees, but less for those cusping--especially when there is powerful cusping going on (as there might be in this case).

In the latter case, things get more complicated, complex, and relative. This is what makes it more confusing for people to figure out, because they can relate to different sides of both.

If Uranus is a co-ruler of Capricorn, and if she does have say like a 0 to 1 degree Cap Rising, it would become even more complex and relative, since Uranus is not only in Sagittarius but also conjunct Jupiter at the same time. So is really strengthening the Sag/Jupiter side of things as well even beyond the close cusping.

This is why earlier I referred to it as a uber/super cusping/blending case.

But besides her many and strong connections to folks with strong Capricorn--she also has tended to have strong connections with people with strong Scorpio and/or Pluto, which is very much strengthened/highlighted with a Cap Rising since the faster moving, traditional ruler, Saturn, is in Scorpio and closely conjunct Pluto.

That combined with the close Leo Venus-Mars conjunction in the 8th, would also highlight the strong sexual, in a merging type way, focus that she has talked about here, as well.

Sagittarius is sort of in the middle when it comes to sex drive and focus. It's neither in the Leo, Scorpio, Aries, and Taurus (Taurus often starts out rather lusty, but can become rather passive and lazy in this area over time) camp of super strong focus and desires, but neither is quite in the Aquarius, Pisces camp of much less focus and desire in that area. Sagittarius is sort of in between.

Now a Cap Rising with Saturn in Scorpio closely conjunct Pluto AND close Leo Venus-Mars conjunction the 8th... this will tend to be a person who DEEPLY desires (really so more craves) a very deep, connective sexual merging with others, especially those that they love and feel very connected to.

Sag Rising with Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12th..more "take it or leave it" kind of pattern when it comes to sex and to merging in that deeply intimate kind of way.

Also, did you see the pic of her she shared?! She does not look like a archetypal Sag Rising in a primary sense. In Caucasians, Sag Rising (in the archetypal sense), tends to be the tallest Sign, tends to have a rather long face, large and long head, almost horsey like look especially in the mouth, tends to a more Celtic or Germanic type complexion, tends to have rather large/wide hips and/or emphasized butt--especially in the women.

On the other hand, Cap Rising is known to correlate with shorter, more slender-more bony, and more darker complected type bodies. It's very clear that strong Capricorn is blending in there and most like as the "base", from a purely looks perspective. At the same time, I do see "some" Sag blending in, but that can come from the cusping. The question is, what is more predominant overall--and to me, that is clearly Capricorn.

We are often kind of subjective when it comes to personality traits and character (as critics of astrology often point to quite a bit), but our physical looks are an objective fact that no amount of belief or perception changes all that much in the basics.

From a very holistically logical place, it seems more apparent that she most likely has Cap Rising with both Sag and Jupiter strongly/powerfully blending in.

I have no dog (attachment) in the whole thing either way. In a personal sense, I could really care less which is the Rising Sign or not. But it just seems clear to me that Cap is more likely when we look at it from a very multi leveled and holistic perspective (which is my specialty in astrology).

The only thing that to me that fits the Sag Rising better, is that this puts Pisces Moon closely square the Asc, and this would correlate well with the larger than usual (especially for her frame), chest.

However, there is this odd thing that sometimes happens with Rising Signs in relation to the opposite Sign. Sometimes there is like a reflex/mirroring thing that happens between these pair of complementary signs.

Cancer rules the breast/chest area (among other things), and of course, Capricorn and Cancer are opposite/complimentary Signs (very tied in with each other in other words). It's possible that this is related less to the Water Moon square and more to that reflex-opposite polarity thing that sometimes happens.

I've seen it with other Rising Signs in relation to their oppposite Signs. Sometimes Libra Rising has something marked or highlighted about their head (Aries), some Scorpio has something with their throat or neck (Taurus), oftentimes Taurus Rising is unusually well endowed or smaller than average (Scorpio), sometimes Aquarius Rising has spine or heart (Leo) things going on, Leo has circulation or ankle things going on (Aquarius--true in my case, I've had an ankle issue/focus), etc, etc

This is because, in a sense, these opposite-complementary Signs, are very much a part of each other, like two sides of the same coin. Or the two different polarities of an equally strong or sized magnet. The primary focus will be on the actual parts of the body that the Rising Sign rules, but sometimes the part(s) of the body ruled by the opposite Sign also gets highlighted in that odd, reflex action as well.

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I have small boobs, I got surgery in my mid 20s lol so my frame overall is small/petite including my breasts. My husband with moon in cancer is a boob guy and his moon falls in my 7H if I have cappy rising so I got them done hoping it would help our sex life, he adores my boobs but it essentially truly did not make a difference.

I have a medium size freckle on my right nipple though which would fit with your theory of the DC in cancer, having a birth mark of that nature. I have been trying to figure this out astrologically for a long time bc it really is a significant birth mark for me and I love that about me.

posted February 12, 2020 01:32 PM            

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I have a medium size freckle on my right nipple though which would fit with your theory of the DC in cancer, having a birth mark of that nature. I have been trying to figure this out astrologically for a long time bc it really is a significant birth mark for me and I love that about me.

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posted February 12, 2020 02:15 PM              

It would be interesting to ask guidance about this under ideal conditions. Imo, ideal conditions is a combination of very deep meditation combined with asking to connect with only helpful, loving, spiritually aware forces, focusing a lot on love and/or gratitude in a FEELING way, asking a question with no belief or preconceptions, going deep within/becoming very quiet and still and just listening and noting any "out of blue" impressions.

This is sort of my cliff note summary version of how to best receive accurate information from guidance. Took me awhile to put it all together, but eventually from a combo of experience/trial and error and research into other helpful sources, I distilled and paired down all the techniques/methods that worked best (for self at least) and combined them.

Voila, a way out of the distorted/distorting bag of human dogma, beliefs, etc, and hello a brand new world of greater and greater truths and clearer and clearer perception.

Oh don't you worry, you still got some of that Feisty, explorative Sag going on, even if you're technically a Cap Rising. I can feel it from way over here. Since I have Sag on my 5th, I tend to rather like that kind of energy in others (especially women).

posted February 12, 2020 03:10 PM              

Also, does she have more folks with strong Sag and Gemini in her life, or more so folks with strong Cap and Cancer in her life?

posted February 12, 2020 04:25 PM            

Thanks for sharing that photo with us! I love her energy she really does have this cappy/Saggy blend going on and you can see that positivity and outgoing side really shining through. Its lovely bc she has the down to earth vibe which helps her stay humble but she totally has that outgoing positive vibe. Does she have virgo in her?

posted February 12, 2020 04:30 PM            

Tr MOON IN LIBRA has been conjuncting my MC this whole morning if I have cappy rising at 0 degrees and transit venus in aries is conjunting my IC.

Regardless (saggy or cappy) tr Moon in libra is today in my 10H and tr Venus in my 4H or approaching my 4H. This whole morning I could really feel my emotions come the surface for others to see in our meeting as we discussed cases ect..

posted February 12, 2020 05:15 PM            

I am so ****ing sick of teaching and taking condensed college classes at the same time.

I have a teaching video instruction due for my class this Friday.
Plus I work at one of those schools where we are expected to do SO MUCH for Valentines.

Everyone drove me crazy today and I hate everything. I got my video done today, plus in my classroom we push everything we usually do on Friday to Wednesday.(cause of Valentines) Plus all the teachers had to get a picture taken for the churches news letter or whatever. OMG we had to take like 15 pictures while our kids sat and waited for us. kkadfhaghaghagshh! Today was a TOO MUCH DAY. As usual I'm over it. Plus my usual assistant is out sick! So I had my old assistant who drives me crazy working with me today. And my boss can kiss my @$$!

I might get a snow day tomorrow. Yeah that sucks for my kids since my kids are suppose to have a Valentine party, but for real maybe it would put me out of my misery a little.

I seriously hope this is MY LAST lesson planning video I have to do for college. I am under too much pressure at my job to "keep up with their themes" I have to have hearts all over my ****ing classroom and my hallways. My college teaching classes do not align with that.

posted February 14, 2020 12:03 PM            

I totally have experienced this whole Saturn matures at 36 this past year. I feel this past year I had like a serious maturity upgrade, definitely an important shift, a very obvious turning point. I feel like I truly become an adult.

"Saturn matures from 35th till 36th year. Usually at this age some important Saturn lessons comes our way—about endurance, perseverance, overcoming suffering, taking extra responsibilities, paying off some karmic debt, completing some hard karma. This is the age when one becomes properly an adult, before that one is still in their youth. Saturn’s maturation time can unlock blocked areas of one’s life—such connected to the house Saturn is in the birth chart. But usually some serious maturation process happens around the 35th year."

I have Saturn in the 10th conjunct pluto and I feel my leadership qualities are been unlocked.

Coincidentally I just told my friend yesterday that I feel I have done a lot of growing this past two years, in line with what this article says about Saturn.
http://www.astrolada.com/articles/character-astrology/maturation-ages-of-the-planets. html

posted February 14, 2020 08:52 PM            

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Haha Stwar, I have A LOT of teacher friends and yes, most of them rather like wine.

Sorry to hear it's been so stressful for you. Hopefully you live and work at a place that gives a substantial summer vacation.

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I feel so miserable and stuck. I stayed up so late turning in an assignment for college, and then I had my other class party today. About to do more homework for class drink wine and go to bed.

Oh my gosh while Pluto and Saturn are squaring my Sun it's like please no more planets in Capricorn! Don't move another degree Jupiter, and stay in Sagittarius Mars!

I have Monday and Tuesday off though, and then my boss is on vacation for a week and a half. I am so exited.

Yes I work where I have summer vacation <3 I've been ready for summer vacation since January!

With my Pluto and Saturn work going on, I had a feeling that this wasn't the end. I checked the retrograde planets for 2020. And they go rx around May and direct in Sept. I feel like when big planets go rx it's like a break from their intensity.

But then in the Fall it will be like here we go again with this BS, but only this time will have real resolutions.

posted February 14, 2020 09:07 PM            

Jupiter sextile Pluto
Uranus sextile Jupiter
Neptune trine Pluto

Ate some pizza from class party while sister called me, I think she had enough of my b1tching. I understand.I curled up in a ball, took a power nap, had some coffee. Cried. Boyfriend called, I had some wine.