posted February 15, 2020 11:54 AM              

Yeah, Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn has been rough on those with strong Cardinal placements. A lot of people have been going through intense stress, challenge, and testing, suited and perfectly tailored to their own individual psyches. (These are part of our "Life plan" of growth, that our Expanded/Spirit self level along with the Source, Co-Creator of this Universe/larger reality, the Elders, our guides/helpers, etc set up to try to maximize our spiritual growth/remembrance process).

I have a hypothesis about this. As we know, people with strong Cardinal placements tend to be inborn/innate leader or facilitator types. (Cancer maybe not so much in the world or at large, but more in the family).

I've been receiving information for awhile, that has gotten more detailed, that major, world wide changes are on the horizon and coming up faster and faster as we get close to the culmination of the physical part of it all.

This may be "crunch time" of lesson learning and getting our spiritual butts into gear for any and all of us Souls with any sort of maturity and who also have powerful Cardinal placements (like Sun, Asc, Moon, Rising ruler, a stellium including personal planets in same, etc), and who are probable to survive these initial upheavals and massive changes.

Why, because when the time comes, those of us with some maturity and who have powerful Cardinal placements, will need to be centers of calm, and positive, directive action for others. Many people will be losing their proverbial and perhaps literal shite during these times.

So right now, we are being as tried by fire, so that when the real and even more intense and overt fire happens, we will be ready to better serve others. If we go through this too much earlier before these culminate, we may start to soften some from more harmonious and/or easier conditions.

We need our metal tempered but still somewhat hot for when the time comes.

Either way, and even if I'm wrong about the Earth changes aspect, know that there is a deeper purpose behind all this, and that purpose is not malicious, but actually comes from a deeper and higher kind of Love. Granted, right now it feels a lot like "tough love", and in a sense it is, but underneath it the intention of Love and wanting to see us whole and more truly joyous is there.

I'm there with you. Sun, ruler of the chart in Capricorn. Mercury ruler of Virgo North Node, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn is in Capricorn, and 21* Libra Pluto (modern ruler of IC). Has not been easy. In some ways, I feel like I've been through hell and back.

In some ways, it may be even a bit more intense for those of us also with mid to late Aries and Libra placements since it involves a square.

posted February 15, 2020 02:22 PM            

I am not fully convinced I am cappy riser, I think aries23 is right about his theory that bc I have ascendant in late degrees saggy and the 1H is dominated by cappy that it can feel like a hybrid of the two with cappy containing a bit some of my saggy qualities making me a bit of a more cautious saggy in a sense but still bold and a risk taker.

But what is making me lean more towards saggy riser is the progressed ascendant. I do think that instead of saggy riser at 23-24 degrees, I have saggy riser at 25-26 degrees with neptune even more tightly conjunct my AC (well conjunct exact). The later the degrees the more of a cusp effect it has I would think specially with neptune there blurring the boundaries.

Let me go back to the progressed AC theory now. Lately I keep feeling like a different person, like I am been reborn, I am noticing losing interest in romance and relationships and wanting to be free and do my own thing. For the first time in my life I really don't have any interest in romance/love, "finding the one" ect This feeling of "I just want to be free" is very strong and I feel like a different person lately.

If I correct my time of birth to 12:55pm which would still match my mother's description it would put my Sag rising at 25d55 and my progressed AC in aquarius at 0 degrees which would put my DC progressed ruler in Scorpio conjunct Saturn which brings me to another change I am noticing in myself, I want to honor my commitments and am taking my commitments more seriously but I also need space to do my own thing without doing anything wrong, I need my freedom and a strong desire to make friends and connect with others in a purely friendly way and building up my social life is been born in me. I feel like a different person lately, new values, new me and the progressed AC moving into aquarius would explain this.

posted February 15, 2020 02:46 PM              

A person with Sagittarius Rising, not closely cusping Capricorn, with their chart ruler, Jupiter, in Sagittarius and closely conjunct Uranus, is going to be rather tall for their gender.

Like unusually so.

Someone with very early Capricorn Rising closely cusping Sagittarius, and with ruler in early Scorpio cusping Libra, is going to be in the average range for a female (like 5' 4" to 5'8").

If you were like 5'10" or above, I would totally say Sag Rising with your particular chart.

Edgar Cayce had Leo Rising with Uranus closely conjunct his ASC. He was 6' 2" at his prime. He was born in 1877. That was fairly tall for an American man born at that time. In our day, probably equivalent to around 6'4" to 6'5" or so. Uranus very strong in relation with the Asc correlating with above average height is not unusual.

Sagittarius is the tallest Rising Sign of the Zodiac in the archetypal sense. There would be double emphasis here, with both the Rising itself, and the ruler of same in Sagittarius.

That combined with Uranus powerfully at the same time. Nah, average height doesn't make any sense.

Exact physical birth time doesn't matter as Cayce's guidance pointed to time and time again.

Thing is, anyone who sincerely and deeply researches Cayce and that work with an open mind, invariably comes away with the knowing that he was the real deal, and constantly tapped into universal information in an unusually accurate and broad manner, from everything dealing with every facet of health, to ancient times, to helping people develop new/innovative tech, to probable future, etc, etc.

While there are a number of biographies written about his life/work, what many consider The definitive biography is written by Sidney Kirkpatrick ("Edgar Cayce An American Prophet"). Before researching Cayce's life and work, Kirkpatrick was a complete skeptic of all things spiritual, psychic, religious, etc. He thought all of that stuff was either conning or deluded hogwash.

I happen to know him and his wife personally, and even now, though Cayce caused him to have a major belief system crash, he still retains his very skeptical, grounded, and discriminating mind set (strong combo of powerful Mercury, strong Libra, Scorpio, and Virgo). He is a person that very much likes to deal in facts and verification.

Before Sidney published the above book, he was an award winning film documentarist and true crime/mystery/biographical author. He put his considerable reputation and standing on the line by writing about a subject that our society still considers "woo woo" to the materialistic intellectuals or "of Satan or demons" to the fundamentalist religious folks.

posted February 15, 2020 03:14 PM            

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To be honest, with such a Rising configuration--Sagittarius Rising with ruler in Sagittarius closely conjunct Uranus, I would expect like professional women basketball players to have charts/Rising conditions like this.

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posted February 15, 2020 03:29 PM            

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Adding to the looks part of it, something I didn't mention earlier, but should.

A person with Sagittarius Rising, not closely cusping Capricorn, with their chart ruler, Jupiter, in Sagittarius and closely conjunct Uranus, is going to be rather tall for their gender.

Like unusually so.

Someone with very early Capricorn Rising closely cusping Sagittarius, and with ruler in early Scorpio cusping Libra, is going to be in the average range for a female (like 5' 4" to 5'8").

If you were like 5'10" or above, I would totally say Sag Rising with your particular chart.

Edgar Cayce had Leo Rising with Uranus closely conjunct his ASC. He was 6' 2" at his prime. He was born in 1877. That was fairly tall for an American man born at that time. In our day, probably equivalent to around 6'4" to 6'5" or so. Uranus very strong in relation with the Asc correlating with above average height is not unusual.

Sagittarius is the tallest Rising Sign of the Zodiac in the archetypal sense. There would be double emphasis here, with both the Rising itself, and the ruler of same in Sagittarius.

That combined with Uranus powerfully at the same time. Nah, average height doesn't make any sense.

Exact physical birth time doesn't matter as Cayce's guidance pointed to time and time again.

Thing is, anyone who sincerely and deeply researches Cayce and that work with an open mind, invariably comes away with the knowing that he was the real deal, and constantly tapped into universal information in an unusually accurate and broad manner, from everything dealing with every facet of health, to ancient times, to helping people develop new/innovative tech, to probable future, etc, etc.

While there are a number of biographies written about his life/work, what many consider The definitive biography is written by Sidney Kirkpatrick ("Edgar Cayce An American Prophet"). Before researching Cayce's life and work, Kirkpatrick was a complete skeptic of all things spiritual, psychic, religious, etc. He thought all of that stuff was either conning or deluded hogwash.

I happen to know him and his wife personally, and even now, though Cayce caused him to have a major belief system crash, he still retains his very skeptical, grounded, and discriminating mind set (strong combo of powerful Mercury, strong Libra, Scorpio, and Virgo). He is a person that very much likes to deal in facts and verification.

Before Sidney published the above book, he was an award winning film documentarist and true crime/mystery/biographical author. He put his considerable reputation and standing on the line by writing about a subject that our society still considers "woo woo" to the materialistic intellectuals or "of Satan or demons" to the fundamentalist religious folks.

This is a long way of saying, if Cayce's guidance said something repeatedly, chances are it's likely correct/accurate.

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It been in my 12H will alter its expression and its conjunction to Uranus too and the fact that capricorn dominates my AC and throughout most of my development as a child and teenager I had progressed AC in capricorn would play into my looks along with MC in Libra.

posted February 15, 2020 05:12 PM              

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Its in my 12H not my 1H. Chart ruler in the 12H is common in people who immigrate as children too and IDK why uranus would have to do anything with been an athlete.

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Wasn't saying that Uranus was linked to being an athlete, but rather that kind of unusual height of female basketball is the kind that one would expect with both Sagittarius and Uranus being very strong in connection with the Asc.

I haven't noticed Houses having anything to do with physical attributes in relation to the chart ruler being in this or that House. No serious astrologer I've ever looked has ever mentioned Houses being related to such indications either. Except the Asc/1st House, because that literally rules the physical body among other things.

posted February 15, 2020 05:24 PM            

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Wasn't saying that Uranus was linked to being an athlete, but rather that kind of unusual height of female basketball is the kind that one would expect with both Sagittarius and Uranus being very strong in connection with the Asc.

I haven't noticed Houses having anything to do with physical attributes in relation to the chart ruler being in this or that House. No serious astrologer I've ever looked has ever mentioned Houses being related to such indications either. Except the Asc/1st House, because that literally rules the physical body among other things.

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Regardless Capricorn dominating my 1H will influence my looks bc it invades most of my 1H.

posted February 15, 2020 05:35 PM              

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It been in my 12H will alter its expression and its conjunction to Uranus too and the fact that capricorn dominates my AC and throughout most of my development as a child and teenager I had progressed AC in capricorn would play into my looks along with MC in Libra.

My last lover was supeeeeeeer tall, he had moon in Saggitarius and venus in Aquarius yet his chart ruler was neither. His chart ruler was Pluto in scorpio conjunct AC and pluto did not aspect his Venus nor his moon. So tallness is not always explained by AC ruler or AC sign (height in general). Now with him he had AC in scorpio at 25 degrees so most of his 1H is actually dominated by Saggitarius and his moon in Saggy falls in his 1H and trines his Jupiter, he was more in the lanky side but super tall. He was not an athlete.

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Progressions don't relate to core physical traits and characteristics. Also, the Asc progresses much faster than any other symbol of the chart. See Kannons' excellent posts about the true progressed Asc. If one is at a non extreme latitude etc, it takes around a month or so to go through a sign.

Regarding your ex, again, exact physical birth time, according to Cayce's guidance, doesn't matter if there was a difference between the physical and energetic/spiritual birth times. Lanky and super tall is one of the common archetypal associations of Sagittarius Rising.

The actual Rising Sign is the one that predominates, even if there is strong cusping going on. Either if the Rising sign is 29 degrees one sign, or .25 degrees a different one.

As far as the Rising rulers go, when looking at physical traits/characteristics go, if the Rising Sign has two rulers--for the former it's more important to look at the faster moving, traditional ruler of that Rising Sign.

There are a couple reasons why. Because it's faster moving and thus far more personal to the person, and two, the traditional ruler deals with the more physical level of the Sign's energies anyways. In most of these cases, minus Pisces, the traditional ruler is a slower vibratory symbol, which by nature relates more and connects more to the physical level.

If he has a Scorpio Rising, I would look more to Mars--it's signs and aspects. However, he is close enough to the cusp, that in reality, he might actually have like an early Sag Rising strongly cusping Scorpio. Sag Rising is one of the more athletically inclined Rising Signs, but that is not a give in. Depends on what their deeper focus, and the condition of their ruling planet, etc.

I have Leo Rising (another commonly athletic Rising sign), with Sun trine Mars Jupiter conjunction, and while I have an unusually athletic body in an innate sense, I have little interest in those focuses, and so haven't developed it to any degree. Back in High School, the guys that were in my gym class that were on the football team often told me that I should join the football team. I was fast, very coordinated, surprisingly strong for my size, and could tap into that raw aggression and competitiveness though I was normally quiet, introverted, etc (having anger issues at the time helped). I was like nah thanks. I had zero interest in being on the football team, almost as a matter of principle, as I didn't particularly care for a lot of those guys. A lot of them to me were egotistical, shallow, selfish, narrow minded, and a percentage didn't treat young women all that nicely. That combined with I just didn't care about football, especially not in watching same, they would have had to pay me a lot of money to join.

posted February 15, 2020 05:48 PM              

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Regardless Capricorn dominating my 1H will influence my looks bc it invades most of my 1H.

Also, I am not impressed by the status quo of how other astrologers go about things, I value their input up to a point. I feel there is still a lot that needs to be learned and understood about astrology and I am more interested in exploring that hence why I appreciated reading aries23 previous post.

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Hmmm, it's a little more shades of gray than the above. The body literally corresponds to the Asc point and +/- about 10 degrees. If a Planet is at the latter end of that conjunction with the Asc, it will barely be shading in in a physical, indication way.

I have Jupiter in the 1st technically, and yeah, it doesn't relate to my height whatsoever.

If your Rising is at or around 23 degrees Sagittarius, a little Capricorn would be shading in because of the cusping, but you would still be strongly and basically Sagittarius.

If it was 29 Degrees Sag, then the blending would be more noticeable, but still Sag would dominate over Capricorn as far as looks, personality, and attractions to others.

Now, if you had a planet in early degrees of Capricorn conjunct late Sagittarius Rising, then this would in a sense, "pull Capricorn in" more to your Asc, but with the Planet dominating both the Rising Sign and the cusping Sign.

Neptune interestingly isn't known to have strong physical correlations when it's connected to the Asc strongly. Most often noted is the aura, eyes, and vibes, and perhaps a little extra beauty. Because of the degree of empathy and innate psychicness, sometimes getting tired easily is a common feature, but again, that is more about other factors influencing the physical.

Like I said, I don't have any attachment to what your Rising sign is or isn't. But from all the information known, in a very holistic, all level way from physical, to personality, to people that are very close to you, etc, then Capricorn seems a lot more likely than Sagittarius.

posted February 15, 2020 05:57 PM            

I am not a Cayce groupie, I don't feel he is infallible so using him to persuade me to think a certain way will not work. At the tend of the day I listen to my gut and trust my own wisdom and personal observations and instincts above anybody else regardless of who they are, status has never impressed me. My ex is tall bc he has moon in saggy in the 1H trine Jupiter, that is obvious. He is definitely a scorpio riser with pluto close to the AC. He was a bit of a hybrid since Saggy dominated his 1H but you see/feel first the scorpio rising.

posted February 15, 2020 06:09 PM              

But again, I don't focus much on sports, nor much on working out besides maintaining basic physical health, etc.

That basic potential is there, but because I don't focus on it, it's not developed. That was kind of my whole point in relation what you said about your ex and Sagittarius. If the focus and interest just isn't there, why would a person develop those potentials? It takes definite work and discipline to go from decent or good innately, to great or outstanding.

posted February 15, 2020 06:11 PM            

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Like I said, I don't have any attachment to what your Rising sign is or isn't. But from all the information known, in a very holistic, all level way from physical, to personality, to people that are very close to you, etc, then Capricorn seems a lot more likely than Sagittarius.

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posted February 15, 2020 06:15 PM            

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Lol, meaning when I do play sports I'm good at them. Always have been. Well much less so basketball because my height is a disadvantage. But sinking 3 pointers easily, being fast and agile helps some.

But again, I don't focus much on sports, nor much on working out besides maintaining basic physical health, etc.

That basic potential is there, but because I don't focus on it, it's not developed. That was kind of my whole point in relation what you said about your ex and Sagittarius. If the focus and interest just isn't there, why would a person develop those potentials? It takes definite work and discipline to go from decent or good innately, to great or outstanding.

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posted February 15, 2020 06:25 PM              

But no, not completely, 100% infallible. Even Cayce had some rare, occasional gaffes, or seemingly so.

As to the rest, yeah, I get that, but I've been intensely studying these little known levels of astrology for decades. I was kind of obsessed about it for awhile, precisely because of Cayce's readings about the potential differences between the physical and spiritual birth times.

As mentioned previously, I was pretty open minded to this, because my rather psychic mom told me that when I was born, it was a little awhile after the body was birthed, that a light entered into my body. I don't just trust the Cayce work a lot, but I also trusted my mom a lot.

So began a quest to come up with a quick rectification filter, and knowing how the Asc corresponds to the looks and body, I figured that was a good way to get guesstimates of the most likely Rising Signs.

So I spent about ages 16 to 35 being nearly obsessed with fully plumbing the whole topic. For, to me, there was a lot more at stake than just my own chart, but all the charts of people that I would ever do.

My experience with looking at many charts over that time plus some, leads me to think that Cayce's guidance is quite right about this subject, because sometimes the Asc fits and fits very well to the looks and personality, and other times, not at all, and too often for it to just be a slightly inaccurate birth time or the like. Something else is going on.

What is your ex's Mars Sign and aspects? He could very well have a Scorpio Rising. If his Rising was like 27 to 29 degrees Scorpio, with Mars in a Yang Sign and/or strongly aspected to Uranus, North Node, Sun, Jupiter, and/or Mercury, the combination of Sag cusping strongly and the latter could equate to unusual height.

posted February 15, 2020 06:34 PM              

For example, the person that I've been talking about a lot here, has Sun at 27 degrees Aries. I have Libra Moon at 3 degrees.

I've been involved with a few women that had strong Aries, and that relates MOST to my Libra Moon. However, in most of these cases, there was no direct aspect, just a general opposition between my Moon and their Sun, Asc, or Moon energies.

Hence, they wouldn't need to have Capricorn placements at earlier degrees to connect with you.

Remember what I said about Uranus possibly being the co-ruler of Capricorn, and if that is true, then having Uranus in Sagittarius conjunct Jupiter in same strengthens both Jupiter and Sagittarius in a more personality/character way for you?

Hence, even if your Rising was early Cap, I wouldn't be surprised by this. I would expect strong spiritual connections to be present with folks that have strong Sagittarius with a combination of the 12th, Jupiter, and Sagittarius all mixing as factors.

posted February 15, 2020 07:37 PM            

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What is your ex's Mars Sign and aspects? He could very well have a Scorpio Rising. If his Rising was like 27 to 29 degrees Scorpio, with Mars in a Yang Sign and/or strongly aspected to Uranus, North Node, Sun, Jupiter, and/or Mercury, the combination of Sag cusping strongly and the latter could equate to unusual height.

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posted February 15, 2020 07:52 PM              

You can't use regular aspects with Stars, Galactic Cores, Galactic masses, etc, they are not on the ecliptic. We use the aspects we use with the Planets, because relatively speaking, the Planets are all on the same plane as the Earth and Sun.

With Stars etc, you have to use Parans. They are more "3D" type aspects.

posted February 15, 2020 08:19 PM            

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The great attractor?

You can't use regular aspects with Stars, Galactic Cores, Galactic masses, etc, they are not on the ecliptic. We use the aspects we use with the Planets, because relatively speaking, the Planets are all on the same plane as the Earth and Sun.

With Stars etc, you have to use Parans. They are more "3D" type aspects.

If the Moon is not conjunct his Asc, then it wouldn't indicate anything about his looks, unless he had Cancer Rising.

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I disagree. It clearly doesn't have to conjunct his AC for it to influence his looks he is a great example of that, the first house rules the body, not just the AC angle. I am not interested in continuing to discuss this, we disagree. There are a lot of things we
are not going to agree on and this is one of them.

I figured out why our conversations have this 12th house vibe for me, like I feel you getting in my head. We have in composite moon conjunct neptune in the 3H in Sagittarius at late degrees falling right on my Saggitarius Ascendant.

posted February 16, 2020 03:28 AM              

Regarding the height, the exception is Cancer Rising with Moon in Sagittarius or Moon closely conjunct or opposite Jupiter, Sun, Mercury, Uranus, or North Node--this can correlate to a definite increase in height above Cancer's archetypal or average. But this is different than talking about a person with Moon conjunct Asc, in the 1st House, or in a close, major aspect with the Asc ruler.

Point is, doesn't seem to sound like the tall, lanky person you are talking about, and remember, Planetary energy is stronger and more concentrated than Sign.

I've seen wimpy Gemini, Cancer, and Virgo Risings with Mars conjunct their Asc for example, that build muscle easy, are physically strong, etc. Mars being so highlighted, overwhelms/overshadows the physically wimpy Rising Signs.

No, we are not going to agree on everything, and yet what most of what I've been saying and stating besides Cayce's spiritual vs physical birth times, is all based on well known/agreed upon astrological teachings, sound holistic logic, etc,

I'm more objective about this because I don't have any personal attachment. I'm a more objective, outside source looking in. Detached like a scientist who just wants to get to the truth of the matter with no preconceptions of what that truth is.

Every counter argument/point you have made, has had logic holes in it when looked at more deeply and/or holistically. And the persistency of same, seems to speak to a combo of strong Earth and Fixed energy going on (I would know, I have a similar combo).

In any case, this will likely be my last post about your Rising. I've been just trying to be helpful with sharing my extensive knowledge and experience in this area, but it seems to be getting resented.

I'm not trying to control you or force you to believe this or that, but truth and facts are important to me, and I tell it like I see it--I'm extremely Jupitarian that way with a good dose of no nonsense Capricorn groundedness and hard earned sense of self. If that bothers or upsets you, feel free to tune me out.

The thing is, this is a public forum and I'm very mindful that this is a public conversation and that newbies and the like will likely be reading this at some point. I want them to get accurate info about these topics. If this was solely a private conversation, I probably would have dropped it awhile back because I also have some left over tendencies towards people pleasing (strong Libra and Venus, with Pisces S. Node in the 7th, and also strong Neptune).

But when I feel something is bigger than two people, then I become a little more fixed, direct and assertive.

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Taking a HW break

Jupiter sextile Pluto
Uranus sextile Jupiter
Neptune trine Pluto

Ate some pizza from class party while sister called me, I think she had enough of my b1tching. I understand.I curled up in a ball, took a power nap, had some coffee. Cried. Boyfriend called, I had some wine.

He listened to me **** moan and cry a little about how fed up I am. The fact that he let me do that for basically an hour was the best thing he could give me for our circumstances this Valentines. The fact that he could take it and handle it, I have a new level of appreciation for him. Once I let it all out, I was able to laugh a little towards the end of our phone call.

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posted February 17, 2020 04:30 PM            

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Trans Jupiter in Cap is in conjunction with Mercury in 9th now. That's why I am up in here rambling up a storm in many threads

Jupiter is arching to square the Asc soon. Gosh,here comes the cravings for sweets and goodies to test my strict meal regiment

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posted February 17, 2020 06:39 PM            

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Trans Jupiter in Cap is in conjunction with Mercury in 9th now. That's why I am up in here rambling up a storm in many threads

Jupiter is arching to square the Asc soon. Gosh,here comes the cravings for sweets and goodies to test my strict meal regiment

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hahahaha ramble away

That is right we have mercury trine mercury exact (virgo at 17d) between tr Jupiter your mercury and my mercury there is a grand trine. That conversation we had the other day about your transit theory and aries point ect.....I enjoyed the hell out of that conversation, I bet tr jupiter forming a grand trine with our mercuries was already in effect.

posted February 18, 2020 06:35 PM            

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It makes me so happy to hear that he gave you what you truly needed on this day. Hope that was a healing moment for you, sounds like it was.

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It really was!! I felt great after. Especially since that day I had a Valentines class party to throw in my room, with parents in my class. I was completely miserable all day I stayed up late the night before completing my homework. Interacting with parents with out telling them how miserable I am was exhausting. lol Luckily I had really nice non judgey moms helping me that day.