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Vajra
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posted January 03, 2015 08:58 AM
  
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Originally posted by Faith:
In one of LG's books (Love Signs?) she talks about a Virgo astrologer friend of hers who tried to impress his Virgo date by mapping out the evening in advance. He predicted a car crash outside the building they were in, and foresaw her getting hiccups.You think that's true? If it's true, I think I'd like to be able to do the same thing.
I remember reading that too, but didn't she use it as a warning example of someone who was so focused on predicting stuff that he neglected to actually live his life...? I must say although the predictive arts can be very useful, I'm hesitant to rely too much on them because of the human tendency for creating self-fulfilling prophecies. I think while some parameters are indeed set in stone in life, most aren't and we do have a lot of leeway for decision-making and thus can change our future to some degree, within a certain range of options. Hearing a prediction can make one focus too much on just one possible outcome, and this can thus limit the perception of a situation unnecessarily. For most situations I therefore only look at transits and progressions like I would look at the weather report, in order to decide whether I should take an umbrella or not before leaving the house. In questions of big decisions I would likely try to pick a good timeframe if possible though. And of course it can be helpful to know when a spell of bad luck is going to end and so on, in order to sit it out. The transits I feel most strongly are those of Saturn over the personal planets BTW, hands down. The others have been much less noticeable in my case. Jupiter transits are perhaps the next important for me. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2015 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So...
I have been learning how to play the ukulele! I picked one up recently and had fun with it and decided to get one of my own.
Huhuhuh I like playing my little instrument 
Now all you need is a midget to sing to. Onward and upward, you know?  ETA:
No but seriously, that's cool you are learning to play it. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2015 10:20 AM
Vajra,Thank you, I always value your input. I feel the same about not wanting to shape my life with predictions. All I really want to do is prove to myself that I can do it like the Virgo astrologer in LG's book, if it's possible. Let's see...when tr Jupiter was conjunct my Saturn this summer...pretty sure it was exactly conjunct that day, I had a little car accident for the first time in 16 years. Also, paranormal activity at that time. It was such a WEIRD couple of months. I thought Jupiter was going alleviate Saturn troubles but instead, seemed to magnify them. Interestingly, Jupiter and Saturn meet as rulers on the Sag-Cap Cusp, a time frame associated with tragedy and psychic phenomena in the Secret Language books. I love those books and should have guessed it might work out that way for me. But I never saw it coming. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2015 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Oh, and speaking of football, the NFL playoffs start tomorrow! In honor of this, I would like to present to you all the original derp of football: 
 !!! Ok great, thanks for emailing ~ haven't checked my mail yet. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted January 03, 2015 10:42 AM
Predicting hiccups, I think, is not possible even for the best  I suspect artistic license in that case. quote:
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Let's see...when tr Jupiter was conjunct my Saturn this summer...pretty sure it was exactly conjunct that day, I had a little car accident for the first time in 16 years.
What were your other transits on the day of the accident? Any Uranus/Mars action? Because these are often associated with accidents. I also have this theory that one needs to interpret transits very personally, taking rulership of houses in one's natal chart into account. Example: Uranus as your 5th house ruler could bring romance, but as 6th or 8th house ruler it could indicate a sudden health problem…you get the idea. I would also look where the transited natal planet sits, and what its significance for the chart is. Example from my past to illustrate what I mean: On a day when I had an NDE, transiting Pluto (my chart ruler) was exactly opposed to nMercury (but the health problem had nothing to do with nerves etc.). Mercury rules my 8th house and is also located in the 8th house, and therefore, the Pluto transit to the 8th house planet and H8 ruler described the event quite accurately. Other transits on the same day were trSaturn conj. nSun (in 8th as well) and square nMoon as well as nPluto - this one was already separating by 2 degrees, which is often the time something significant happens with Saturn transits. And, luckily perhaps, tJupiter that day was exactly trine nMars, which not only generally signifies vitality, but in my chart is also the ruler of H6 (health), and also located in H6. Without that beneficial transit I would perhaps not have made it and it did seem a near miracle I did to those who treated me. One particular doc was instrumental for the successful treatment - he had a "jovial" vibe about him and thus became something of the physical embodiment of that Jupiter transit. And then, during the critical phase which lasted a few hours, he often came to me, held my hand, and talked to me in a fun, lighthearted way. Though I could not see him, only hear his voice, his presence at the time felt like a thin silken thread that linked me to this world. I'm sure he was a Sagittarian. Jupiter incarnate, you could say IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 03, 2015 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Now all you need is a midget to sing to.Onward and upward, you know? ETA:
No but seriously, that's cool you are learning to play it.
It's pretty fun.
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Violets
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posted January 03, 2015 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So...
I have been learning how to play the ukulele! I picked one up recently and had fun with it and decided to get one of my own.
Huhuhuh I like playing my little instrument
That sounds kind of cool, actually.  IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 03, 2015 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
That sounds kind of cool, actually.
Yeah and it's different. I mean how many people do you see playing them? Not alot... IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2015 01:40 PM
Vajra I've read your story.I LOVE that story and wish you would keep it there, it adds so much to the quality of the thread, but if you want to remove it for personal reasons, I understand. Glad you made it through.  Have you posted on the forum what your NDE was like? Btw I love your chart. Thanks for posting in the Astrologer's Degrees thread. My birth time is not super reliable. I get tired of repeating this caveat though I feel weird about some people not knowing. I have strong anecdotal evidence for my birth time, and when I tried to rectify and change it myself, a trusted astrologer friend of mine spotted the problem (without my even saying anything) told me it had to be wrong. My given birth time looks more accurate to this person, and lines up with my life story...so I use it with some confidence. Still, with this time, the house cusps match the sign cusps almost exactly in some places. So, Neptune OR Uranus rules my 8H. I have an Aries OR Taurus MC. I almost died in a car accident in 1999, not that I was injured, but the car was absolutely demolished. It's like I was encased in a bubble within the wreckage. This happened when the sun was transiting Aquarius, which makes me wonder if Uranus does rule my 8H, not Neptune. I don't recall the exact date but should look again for clues within that time frame.
And yes, I will have to study the car accident of this past summer as well. No predicting hiccups? Ok...yeah, I suppose I should keep my goals realistic. That's easier said than done when the sun is transiting in Cappy, conjunct Pluto, conjunct my sun. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2015 02:12 PM
*Once upon a time a chart was here.*  IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted January 03, 2015 03:30 PM
Faith, I've seen it, you can take the pic down! (Tell me if you want me to erase the below part after you've read it)Hmm… it's a pity you're not entirely sure of the accident date, as one could then use it to rectify your chart (although you have probably even better suited events, such as birth of your children, marriage, death of loved ones, etc). As to your transits on the accident day, I'd say Pluto is yet too far off Neptune and Mars to indicate the accident itself on that exact day (you need really tight orbs of the far-out planets for time-sensitive transits), but it certainly denotes a time when 8th house matters (symbolized by your Neptune) were beginning to be activated, and after reaching the middle of the mutable signs, it would then have activated all of that mutable T-square. But that must have been later, and probably not yet been relevant in this particular case. By contrast, I think it's possible the Mars transit over the apex of your T-square here could be the indicator. Since the T-square is not exact, one could take the midpoint of Saturn and Mercury to be the true apex, and your tMars would have been almost exactly at that point on that day. Uranus/Saturn square is a volatile natal energy (don't I know it) and having Mars cross over that point would be a sensitive time for accidents (always be extra careful when that influence returns - meaning, Mars touching any point of your T-Square, including its opposite point in Taurus). What also strikes me is Saturn conj. your MC. If your correct birth time were only 5 minutes earlier, Saturn would be in an exact conjunction with the MC (which would give you an Aries MC BTW). Saturn is your natal 6th house ruler, and it hitting a time-sensitive angle like that would be consistent with the accident. Another possibility for the accident indicator is tUranus opp. your AC. Uranus itself is often involved in accidents, and the AC denotes physical life. In this case, if your birth time was approx. 5 Minutes later, then this opposition would be near exact. In that case, this would give you a Taurus MC. I guess for rectifying the chart, it could be a good idea to check issues pertaining to the MC/IC axis (this includes parents, occupation, "calling" in life, etc.) and play around with the birth time a little (+/- 5 minutes) for various events in your life and see where this axis is being hit most consistently. Aries MC would be more on the creative/self-employed/or even, martial side, Taurus more on the "preserving", organizing, and luxury-loving side when it comes to the native's role in the world. So, if you ever signed up with the Marines, founded a business, or were actively involved in creating art, this would perhaps point to Aries MC more than Taurus (and conversely, if Taurean activities were more your cup of tea, the other option seems more likely). I think the influence responsible for saving your life was tJupiter on the 8th/9th house cusp trine your nSaturn (Sun Sign and 6th House ruler) in H12. IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted January 03, 2015 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yeah and it's different. I mean how many people do you see playing them? Not alot...
Exactly. Perfect for an Aquarius! IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
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posted January 03, 2015 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Who knew Venus conjunct Jupiter could shine so bright? Star of Bethlehem happens every year then?...Or maybe the declination has to match. Thanks for the link to Lee's diet, I just meant that his body was clean from burning everything off, and drew a parallel to raw foodists who likewise have clean bodies. His diet looks good :) But :/ Not too appetizing.
Everyone who's into Astronomy knew (had that interest too, but it didn't materialize so far - so i didn't knew either) - including NASA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK57BMj2Vj4#t=86 ^^ - as that guy put it: "Venus and Jupiter are the brightest planets in our solar system and can be visible to the naked eye even from light-polluted cities..." Thus, it makes sense for an exact conjunction to be even brighter. 
(couldn't find an exact conjunction between this two - from last year) Now that i think about it - as one who lives in a light-polluted city, I've seen those two from time to time (among the few bright objects in the sky) - but I guess I took them for stars. Well, it's never to late to learn and practice astronomy (Skygazing - for example). So far (as most people - i presume), i practiced it without extended knowledge and what can i say - you don't really need the actual info - to appreciate the beauty of a night sky filled with bright lights. It can have a deep impact - either way. Though, it can change the way you look and feel about it - after you learn a thing or two... For example - some galaxies, stars and other lights from the night sky - are so far away, that - by the time their light reaches us - thousands of years have passed... So basically, many of those lights from above sky - are actually a glimpse into the past. So, maybe that's one of the reasons - why we call celebrities Stars - cause they can still shine based on their former glory/light (a role in a movie that made them famous) - which might not reflect their current status/glow, some of them are even be dead, but looking back - at who they used to be at a given moment in time - we might still see their glow... equivalent to the shining light of a Star. For example - Charlie Chaplin (one of the brightest stars of past century):  
(that actually works: if you capture the attention of a baby and get him to ignore the cookie - you can take a bite of his cookie - without making him cry ^^)  Or Jesus (one of the brightest stars of past millennia):  We all see him differently though - and that makes him an elusive subject for debates. It's not something I'm whiling to discuss in this topic, but - i did found some preachers that surprised me to say the least: First, there's this little guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALqMWimBbM At a first glance - that crowd seems to be into heavy metal music - but they just don't know it yet. As for the kid - he probbaly took a pill of Ecstasy (says so himself - at minute 1:28) by accident - and he's on fire there (or just a kid being a kid). Some parents - can be so irresponsible. :) And then we have this other little guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0MxsgVIkWo - which comes with a translator. And this is the surprising part. I mean, just look at how much content that translator can get from that toddler - from what most us would perceive as random mumbling... Gosh, i didn't realize a toddler has so much to say... deep stuff too.. IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
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posted January 03, 2015 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Warlords? No. I tend to find people who try to gain control over others singularly unappealing.
Congratulation! +5 Respect/Honor points. ^^ IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted January 03, 2015 06:21 PM
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aquaguy91
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posted January 03, 2015 06:52 PM
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Many men, BTW, seem to have no grasp of the "warrior mindset," and struggle hard to even find a sort of masculine identity)
This statement right here proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Since when does a man have to be into martial arts or fight in wars to have a "warrior mindset" and a masculine identity? You do know that there are tons of men who: play sports, hunt, play violent video games, and role play etc. These are just a few activities where men get to live out that side of themselves and find their masculine identities.IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted January 03, 2015 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
This statement right here proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Since when does a man have to be into martial arts or fight in wars to have a "warrior mindset" and a masculine identity? You do know that there are tons of men who: play sports, hunt, play violent video games, and role play etc. These are just a few activities where men get to live out that side of themselves and find their masculine identities.
aquaguy91, you misunderstood (or should I say, your response proves that you didn't grasp what I wrote? but that would be so impolite). My statement was written in response to the idea that a woman cannot understand the warrior mindset (and the implication that men naturally do so on account of being men), an idea with which I disagree. Not only do I know quite a few women who do have such a mindset, I also happen to know quite a few men who openly admit that they are lost and confused about their masculine identity, that they do not understand what is expected of them as men, and those guys most certainly do not identify in any way with a warrior mindset. There were actually quite a few newspaper articles written about this current male identity crisis in our country, most of them written by men, which shows it's not an isolated phenomenon. My statement was therefore meant to illustrate the fact that the warrior mindset (as I understand it, which is different from how 7th Guardian seems to define it) is not connected to any particular gender. It was not a description of men in general. Neither do I believe that to be a good man one has to be a warrior type. There's many different types of people, fortunately. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 03, 2015 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
aquaguy91, you misunderstood (or should I say, your response proves that you didn't grasp what I wrote? but that would be so impolite). My statement was written in response to the idea that a woman cannot understand the warrior mindset (and the implication that men naturally do so on account of being men), an idea with which I disagree. Not only do I know quite a few women who do have such a mindset, I also happen to know quite a few men who openly admit that they are lost and confused about their masculine identity, that they do not understand what is expected of them as men, and those guys most certainly do not identify in any way with a warrior mindset. There were quit a few newspaper articles written about this current male identity crisis in our country, most of them written by men. My statement was therefore meant to illustrate the fact that the warrior mindset (as I understand it, which is different from how 7th Guardian seems to define it) is not connected to any particular gender. It was not a description of men in general. Neither do I believe that to be a good man one has to be a warrior type. There's many different types of people, fortunately.
The reason that many men in the U.S are having an identity crisis is because masculinity has become stigmatized. Boys are raised by single mothers and female teachers and many don't have a male role model in their lives. We live in a feminized society and masculinity is suffering as a result.
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Vajra
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posted January 03, 2015 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
The reason that many men in the U.S are having an identity crisis is because masculinity has become stigmatized. Boys are raised by single mothers and female teachers and many don't have a male role model in their lives. We live in a feminized society and masculinity is suffering as a result.
I cannot comment on that as I have never lived in the U.S. However, I think that in Europe, there is a problem with boys given unfair treatment at school. Our schools over here tend to emphasize qualities that seem to come on average more natural to girls - communication, language abilities, neatness, nice/polite behavior etc. - while intelligent, yet socially badly adapted boys sometimes get treated rather unfavorably. That's bad and society as a whole suffers the results. Violence is another issue - there are few healthy outlets for violent impulses (such as certain kinds of sports) that are socially accepted, and young people nowadays on average are less physically active than a few decades ago. I guess this also builds frustration, especially, but not necessarily only, in the boys. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
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posted January 03, 2015 07:23 PM
Everyone, I've had a really long and frustrating day. Let's not get into gender wank. Thanks. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted January 03, 2015 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Everyone, I've had a really long and frustrating day. Let's not get into gender wank. Thanks.
Hi BellaFenice! Sorry - gonna leave it alone now. Good night everyone. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 03, 2015 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
I cannot comment on that as I have never lived in the U.S. However, I think that in Europe, there is a problem with boys given unfair treatment at school. Our schools over here tend to emphasize qualities that seem to come on average more natural to girls - communication, language abilities, neatness, nice/polite behavior etc. - while intelligent, yet socially badly adapted boys sometimes get treated rather unfavorably. That's bad and society as a whole suffers the results. Violence is another issue - there are few healthy outlets for violent impulses (such as certain kinds of sports) that are socially accepted, and young people nowadays on average are less physically active than a few decades ago. I guess this also builds frustration, especially, but not necessarily only, in the boys.
The exact same things are happening here! Did you know that alot of High Schools here in the U.S don't even offer technical classes anymore? I'm talking automotive, agriculture, carpentry etc. classes. Basically all the classes that give young men skills they need to be successful in trades and in the workforce in general. Heck! My high school didn't offer automotive classes and that was something I was really interested in. I see alot of guys I went to High School with working at places like walmart because of that crap... It's just sad....IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2015 07:38 PM
Thank you, Vajra. I appreciate all your insights...will respond to just a few things: quote:
Originally posted by Vajra:
By contrast, I think it's possible the Mars transit over the apex of your T-square here could be the indicator. Since the T-square is not exact, one could take the midpoint of Saturn and Mercury to be the true apex, and your tMars would have been almost exactly at that point on that day.
Yes. quote:
Originally posted by Vajra:
Uranus/Saturn square is a volatile natal energy (don't I know it) and having Mars cross over that point would be a sensitive time for accidents (always be extra careful when that influence returns - meaning, Mars touching any point of your T-Square, including its opposite point in Taurus).
*Taking note* I should probably also pay attention if someone's Mars is there. quote:
Originally posted by Vajra:
What also strikes me is Saturn conj. your MC. If your correct birth time were only 5 minutes earlier, Saturn would be in an exact conjunction with the MC (which would give you an Aries MC BTW). Saturn is your natal 6th house ruler, and it hitting a time-sensitive angle like that would be consistent with the accident.
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Another possibility for the accident indicator is tUranus opp. your AC. Uranus itself is often involved in accidents, and the AC denotes physical life. In this case, if your birth time was approx. 5 Minutes later, then this opposition would be near exact.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention; I totally missed it. I've had reason to think my ASC was at 12 Leo before. For instance, with a late 12 degree ASC, my MC becomes 2 Taurus. The moment I said my wedding vows, tr Venus conjunct tr Saturn exact at 2 Taurus over our location. That's symbolic because my husband's Saturn is tightly conjunct my Venus. (And no I didn't plan this - I only knew sun sign astrology at the time.) The moon was passing there, too. My Mercury/Saturn MP overlaps my Moon/Mars MP at 2 Taurus, so it would just be neat, having my MC there. Plus that would give me a pr ASC of 0 Virgo on my wedding day. On the other hand, I had pr sun conjunct tr Uranus @ 9 Aqua, opp my husband's pr Uranus @ 9 Leo, when we went on one date and then decided to marry. This supports a 9 or 10 DSC. Oh wellllll. Someday I will get my real time. Til then it's a learning experience. quote:
Originally posted by Vajra:
I think the influence responsible for saving your life was tJupiter on the 8th/9th house cusp trine your nSaturn (Sun Sign and 6th House ruler) in H12.
Excellent. I think you're right!
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7thGuardian
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posted January 03, 2015 07:48 PM
If you don't mind me asking - where are you from - where do you live (country)?"given likely very different backgrounds" I guess it's true. Though, I'm far from being typical to the local mentality, so it's not about that but - personal differences (big ones). Maybe even the age difference shows (in this case - a first for me online), or more like a heavy seriousness - as i would describe it. Cause, I, wasn't serious - just honest in a direct way - quite immature compared the level of maturity with which you treated my post (i guess). My bad/mistake. We had very few interactions - and in the beginning, I'm quite a poor judge of character. In the beginning - i treat everyone the same, life friends - like i would expect others to treat me. I don't like to be serious - that's a state i get into when i feel a treat - a situation in which I or other could get hurt... or - when the subject at hand requires a serious answer/attitude. I understood the "warrior mindset" you speak of. Paired in that way (warrior mindset) - is described - as you put it. Was referring strictly to the term warrior (alone) - which got me thinking of other descriptions - with offensive connotations - not defensive. The "warrior mindset" - based on its definition - is something I'd relate with terms like Protector/Guardian/Defender. "Do tell, what exactly is so funny about the expression I used to describe my circle of friends, the language or the content? (as a non-native speaker it's sometimes hard to know).If it should be the content, then what's so strange about that?" Your English is very good (or at least - i don't have any problem understanding it). I'm not a English native speaker either - my native language is Romanian. Anyway, I apologize - i didn't mean to sound offensive with what i said. I honestly didn't realize you'd take it like that (so serious). To answer your question - "it was highly uncommon for someone like me". As mentioned above - i don't know any Kung Fu fighters from my real life - nor do i know any Chinese people - since there are very few around this parts (Romania). I think i've seen 2 last year. But, as many people - i am fond of martial arts movies - and now, all of a sudden - talking with someone who's part of a Kung Fu entourage - felt a bit unreal, like talking with a character from a martial arts movie. Situations like this (unusual or highly unusual) - can draw sarcastic reactions out of me (naturally). While rigid and serious attitudes... well - i'm not laughing anymore. Quite serious - or maybe, to serious... Though, there is one thing i don't understand, at all: what's a Sanda Expert? IP: Logged |
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posted January 03, 2015 07:49 PM
Faith,
Btw.... What were you wanting to say the other night? You were going to say something but edited it out because you said you didn't want to be pushy.IP: Logged | |
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