posted June 22, 2016 01:46 PM              

Just.. recent events are making me more <open> ?

And yeah, years & years of coaching myself to 'accept' my feelings. Not there yet, but gettin' better.

DG,

Yeah, actually, I do kinda feel that way. It's one of my biggest pet-peeves. To 'never again' be able to be with or speak with someone I'm close to. Just triggers too many issues all at once.

posted June 22, 2016 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
It felt very Chiron, the painting.

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interesting florence. That is how it feels to me also. I didn't think of the words. the artist is an old friend of mine, I've lost contact with, but I know her Chiron is conjunct my Moon also. It's generational since my Moon is in Taurus. I've heard some people say that those generational aspects are less significant. I don't think so. I think it is a very powerful influencer of the subconscious, and whenever someone "bringing transformation" enters our lives we are primed for the experience of that aspect and live it like a vivid dream since sometimes dreams are more real and meaningful than the every day.

Btw, did you guys know that it takes Chiron 8 years to travel through a sign, but within Saturns orbit, in the sign of Libra it takes 1.5 yrs?? There's a book in that fact.

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I've sun conjunct Chiron (but also Sedna so I'm not always sure which is which). Moon conjunct must be even more strongly felt, I'd imagine.

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It's so crazy how just thinking about pain can cause you to question what pain really is. There's the blow to the heart... There's regret...there are low pains like covetousness, and high pains like yearning...whatever kind it is it is consciousness. It is knowing that you bleed (..and maybe that others do too). I treasure it, so it's hard to say only that it hurts.

posted June 22, 2016 02:29 PM            

Maybe it's my 11th house Venus, and aqua dc, but to me there's nothing more important than having an honest and loving companion on the road.

posted June 22, 2016 02:40 PM            

Wow! So do you think it's more? Or that's just a reaction to any person that you're close with?
I've been in full panic mode for sure, but never had a physical side effect and never anyone that I wasn't romantically in love with.

posted June 22, 2016 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

(There's gotta be a Zen kind of solution there, somewhere??? .. Right, Elysia??? ..)

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Imagine that. This boy from a province named after the Taliban finds himself negotiating with me in order to get things done. Just funny to me. I told him, "look, I know you're in a situation having to rely on this 37 year old black American woman to get things done, but I'm your friend". He thinks I'm hilarious.

Ill revisit this later on and share some stories, and plans of my own.

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(music) Matchmaker (from Fiddler on The Roof, clip, song, w lyrics) [3:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Hj7bp38f8

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posted June 23, 2016 12:05 AM              

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@Elysia
Wow! So do you think it's more? Or that's just a reaction to any person that you're close with?
I've been in full panic mode for sure, but never had a physical side effect and never anyone that I wasn't romantically in love with.

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posted June 23, 2016 03:31 AM            

I totally don't like the way the temperature drops suddenly, like one moment my hands feel kinda ok, and the next few moments they feel frozen.

I can't rant enough about how much I don't like winter and the grey skies. Ugh. I want to escape this weather.

posted June 23, 2016 12:06 PM              

Gahh..! I know what you mean. Mine in in the 12th. (Lol, look at us - air moons in water houses *talking* about our feelings). It's hard for me to even fathom all the things I'm feeling, 'coz the reflex is to repress. And then things come out in odd ways.

posted June 24, 2016 09:23 AM              

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
…wait, we have feelings? I thought all air moons were repressed, cold psychopaths.

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Lol.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
My 4th house Moon/Mars and 6th house in Cancer = stomach and health issues. The stress from squares just makes it that much worse. I used to date someone who made jokes all the time about, "what if we weren't together anymore"…and it felt very, very cruel. My stomach was always in knots around them.

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posted June 24, 2016 09:36 AM            

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It's so crazy how just thinking about pain can cause you to question what pain really is. There's the blow to the heart... There's regret...there are low pains like covetousness, and high pains like yearning...whatever kind it is it is consciousness. It is knowing that you bleed (..and maybe that others do too). I treasure it, so it's hard to say only that it hurts.

There is a pain I have not come to terms with. I can't communicate it effectively right now, but I'm fascinated at how selfish I can sometimes be.

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I agree with you about the generational aspects - like a latency that is triggered. I never thought of it like a dream though but that is just exactly how they've felt, and that potency too. Love that description!

So your moon might be around my sun if it's in Taurus - mines at 6 degrees ? I think Sedna is even slower so that's probably there about too. I'm not sure, only just grasping transit times.

That's very interesting about Chiron in libra.. I associate Chiron with libra since that's how I first encountered it, bracketed with that sign. I wonder if that indicates how discipline helps navigate pain somehow.

Ha .. That fascination probably means youre right on the line between lower and higher pain, which is not to say moving from the line further into higher is more noble since you're on the battle lines. Well, I encounter more higher pain since I've filtered out some desires (which isn't to say I've progressed either as it just means i fail more) but I definitely have one foot in both, probably a bit more in lower but still less than I used to have. Hmm .. Guess that is being human. I wonder if the Chiron myth is symbolic of that part of thought that can - actually, that has to - operate between those two types of pain as after all it can't escape so is more compelled to deal with. Yes, there is beauty there too. I can often see how it is a gift - the richness of experience - but it can be really hard too.

posted June 26, 2016 02:05 AM              

Like a Kobayashi maru of a situation.. Sorry to geek out here..but that was a test on Star trek that presented the captain with an unwinnable scenario. The goal is to rescue a civilian vessel Kobayashi Maru, which is in a neutral zone. This is all during an interstellar battle (because, of course). And entering that neutral zone would trigger an interstellar incident, much like the violation of a treaty would here on earth.

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The approaching cadet crew must decide whether to attempt rescue of the Kobayashi Maru crew – endangering their own ship and lives – or leave the Kobayashi Maru to certain destruction. If the cadet chooses to attempt rescue, the simulation is designed to guarantee that the ship is destroyed with the loss of all crew members.

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posted June 29, 2016 09:01 PM            

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I agree with you about the generational aspects - like a latency that is triggered. I never thought of it like a dream though but that is just exactly how they've felt, and that potency too. Love that description!

So your moon might be around my sun if it's in Taurus - mines at 6 degrees ? I think Sedna is even slower so that's probably there about too. I'm not sure, only just grasping transit times.

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Yes my Moon is at 7 and my Chiron is at 13. So a wide conjunction. I've had Chiron Sun make nice aspects to my Chiron Moon in synastry (in Pisces with someone little older, and in Capricorn with my daughter, and of course Taurus), and I love the way Chiron Sun feels. They effortlessly bring joy into my life, and the feeling is a little different from the general admiration I have when a Sun alone conjuncts, trines, or sextiles my Moon.

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That's very interesting about Chiron in libra.. I associate Chiron with libra since that's how I first encountered it, bracketed with that sign. I wonder if that indicates how discipline helps navigate pain somehow.

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I know I simply love this fact. I like to think of Saturn being exalted in Libra, because in Libra's balanced environment Saturn can more clearly show his good intention toward the native. I think in the other signs (except Saturns own signs) Saturn has to first play the role of disciplinarian because of the natural state of imbalance that sign likely represents...thinking out loud here too... I've heard Libra described as the market place, a public square, a place for the people (I use a lot of Vedic interpretations for additional spice and flavor- understanding and perspective) and when Saturn is there he is for the people- the good, the bad, the wealthy, the poor- equal opportunity for everyone. I believe Chiron would thrive here, with the grounded and balanced focus on all humanity...Chiron must feel himself a bit like Jesus... I do also believe that like you said discipline and love do go hand in hand. Without love discipline is not discipline but oppression. And love doesn't blow on the winds of lust, so to be love it is grounded (rooted) in something or some understanding or hope.

posted June 29, 2016 09:42 PM            

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Ha .. That fascination probably means youre right on the line between lower and higher pain, which is not to say moving from the line further into higher is more noble since you're on the battle lines.

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You got it exactly. Things are changing for me now, but almost 10 years ago I went kind of anti-spiritual. Never denying my heart, the unseen, the universe, but reexamining the path to truth. Growing up I witnessed many seekers with such a deep focus on the higher truths neglect the basics of love and kindness. And then again in my late twenties I saw all my efforts to be righteous (by someone else's definition)leading me to emptiness. I came down from my ivory tower and went into the dark places where suffering is tangible. It was in that realness and the suffering that I found life again. When I left the dens and dark places and returned home, I had opportunities to resume my position as one of the righteous seekers, either with my Christian husband or my Muslim family. I have resisted that position so that I can stay connected with myself, my reality, my secrets and lower urges.

My mother's teacher once told me, if you want to stop eating chocolate cake but you can't stop eating it, then eat it. Eat it until you vomit. And then after you vomit try to eat some more. Only when you feel repulsion in your gut as strong as you felt compulsion will you be free. It's not a rule or representative of any religion. It's not an absolute or something he would even remember saying. It was just a parable for the moment, that ended up having meaning to me for much longer than a moment.

I feel more myself after these last ten years, and I feel ready to give up some of my cake.

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Well, I encounter more higher pain since I've filtered out some desires (which isn't to say I've progressed either as it just means i fail more) but I definitely have one foot in both, probably a bit more in lower but still less than I used to have. Hmm .. Guess that is being human. I wonder if the Chiron myth is symbolic of that part of thought that can - actually, that has to - operate between those two types of pain as after all it can't escape so is more compelled to deal with. Yes, there is beauty there too. I can often see how it is a gift - the richness of experience - but it can be really hard too.

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I read in Chiron's own chart Chiron is also in Taurus. I have come to see Taurus as representing complete harmony between that which is seen and that which is unseen, spirit and matter, the human being...so yeah. I agree with you.